Eurofighter is turning into German nightmare

Ignorant? Having worked in the aerospace industry for a while including
with the French, I take that as a personal insult ; )

Love the way you try to claim the Rafale is "world class", but then not
quite up to American class. Given the different approaches to defence
spending, I don't think any other country would get close? But then, its
not as if America hasnt used other countries ideas before - Canberra?

And then on to the health of the respective countries aviation industry.
Britain (not just England) is acknowledged by all the european partners in
Airbus to be the best at wing design. Last time I checked an aeroplane
needed wings??

The Hawk was never really designed as a fighter. The original staff
requirement was for a trainer, that somebody then decided to bung some air
to air capability on to. Still, it cant be that bad given that its in
service with so many countries (not just as a trainer). If america is so
cutting edge, why is it that during Gulf War I they asked the Brits to go in
against the heavily defended airfields with JP233? Surely a cutting edge
country could have had some other less risky way? Or was it just not sexy
enough?
"Chuck Johnson" wrote in message
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"ArVa" wrote in message
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Another gratuitous statement.... "Always"? What about the
Concorde, the Jaguar, the Alphajet, the Mig AT, the Tiger and the
entire Eurocopter line-up? What about Airbus? What about EADS?
What about the ATR family?
What
about SNECMA working with GE to produce the CFM-56, one of the
most successful family of jet engine ever? What about all these
successful partnerships and some I may have forgotten?...

You'd have got me if you hadn'#t mentioned Jaguar and Alphjet, and
probably
MIG AT. They've not been that successful? The others have.

The SEPECAT Jaguar has been in service with both Frances' own air
force
and
the RAF in the UK for a long time.

I remember the name Alphajet, but not the aircraft.

Cheers
Graeme


Yeah, but its not exactly a brilliant aircraft? The only reason its
still in service is because fo the recent engine upgrade(if you can
call it that), and the fact that the air planners don't believe its
role can be performed by anything else in the RAF.



Right on ArVa!
I love it when the ignorant attack the French aviation industry...
Answer this: Which aviation sector is healthier? England's or France's?
Me? I'll give the nod to France.
So far as I can tell, France has continuously constructed their own highly
capable aircraft by themselves. The outcome: Mirage III; F.1; Etendard;
Mirage 2000; and Rafale. By all authoritative accounts, their aircraft are
world class. American class? Close, but no. Nobody is. America is the
undisputed leader in cutting edge design and execution. Literally a
generation ahead. Similar to the Luftwaffe during WWII.

And England? Decades earlier, England decided to resort to joint projects
with other nations--surely a sign of ill financial health or lack of
design/manufacturing leadership and expertise. Look at the outcome:
Tornado (IDS and ADV); Hawk 100/200 (a fighter? Hee hee!); Nimrod AEW.
Jeez, I'm going to stop--I'm getting depressed!
-Chuck