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Old September 28th 03, 03:01 AM
L'acrobat
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"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
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L'acrobat wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
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"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
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Only an idiot would suggest that any code is "Uncrackable in the
lifetime of
the serious user" ands so you did.
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It *IS*!
If you choose to try to crack RSA go to their site and download a
test message and try it. None have done so above the known prime
lengths that are do-able.

We aren't discussing ME doing it you cretin.
We are discussing a Govt doing it.
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You have megalomaniacal paranoid delusions as to the capability
of govts.


And you are an idiot who believes that Crypto is unbreakable. Which

belief
is more dangerous?

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Yours, because it's wrong.



Yours, because it is both stupid and wrong.



Again, ask the Good Admiral D how confident he was that his

system
was
safe.
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You're blathering, hoping that line will sustain you while you

try
to bluster your way out of this, when the fact is that RSA is
qualitatively different than any systematically crackable

cipher.

As has already been shown, RSA isn't uncrackable,
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Which we knew, but it takes for ****ing ever statistically.
It can easily be made to take longer than the current age of the
universe.

That is what you believe. you are wrong.
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No, that is what Whit Diffie, R., S., and A, in "RSA" and
James Bidzos believe for solid mathematical reasons.


Just as every other crypto expert has believed their system is safe and

they
have always been wrong.

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None of them had reason to believe so. They merely preferred to
believe so. Now we DO have reason to believe it.



Thank you Admiral D's crypto buffoon.



everyone always thinks their codes
are safe right up to the point that they are not safe.
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That alone has nothing to do with the mathematical argument here,
and what is truly sad is that you simply don't understand the math.


I do understand the math. it is not unbreakable. everyone who thinks

their
favorite crypto system is safe always quotes the math. Doenitzs crypto

guys
quoted the math.

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Doenitz trusted the Czech engineer who built the Enigma.
Bad practice for a Nazi.
He didn't anticipate Colossus, which he SHOULD have if he had read
the papers of Konrad Zuse who had already submitted plans for a
general purpose tube computer to the Reich, after building slower
ones out of relays in his parents' front room using university
student labor, and another two for the Reich using telephone relays.
Those relay machines could have cracked some of the Enigma messages
by iteration WITHOUT being rebuilt 2000 times faster with tubes!



I don't suppose you'd like to tell us what it is that you aren't
anticipating?



What, exactly do you think the NSA is doing with all those

'puters
they
own?
playing Doom?
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Monitoring un-coded transmissions en masse hoping to flag trends
or conspiracies by other characteristic signatures.

But as for cracking RSA encoded messages or even kiddy porn being
sent encoded from Europe: Not a whole ****ing hell of a lot

anymore.
They are hoping their hardware will frighten terrorists out of

using
commonly available public domain technology to completely defeat

them,
while knowing that everyone who knows anything knows they are

totally
defeated by any kid with a computer if he bothers to look it up

and
download the tools and use a long enough bit-length and a decent
firewall properly installed.

Of course they are, they have eleventy squillion bucks worth of
supercomputers, all of which is just to 'frighten'.
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I see you don't actually even KNOW the scale difference available
to the NSA. Example, please define "eleventy squillion".


A **** of a lot more than a bunch of PCs.

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Irrelevant.


Nope, you just hate to face the fact that your toy will be cracked.


Now give some proof that the NSAs role is to 'frighten terrorists'.

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If deterrence by reputation wasn't one of their major roles, then
they aren't too sharp.



Not proof, stevie boy, just the opinion of a fool.


Of course RSA is uncrackable, just like the good Admirals

systems
and I
assume he had a lackwitted buffoon just like you telling him

that
there
was
no way anyone could be decrypting our stuff too...
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That's irrelevant, because he would have simply been technically
wrong out of his own ignorance of cryptology, whereas I am not.

Anyone stupid enough to believe their crypto is uncrackable is
utterly ignorant and a dangerous fool to boot.
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Unless they're right, and then, of course, they're aren't.
And you don't even know. Pitiful.


You are simply an idiot with dangerous delusions that RSA is

uncrackable.
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That's not even what I said, but you continue to delude yourself
pitifully.


Poor Steve. RSA will be cracked well within the lifetime of the user. and
you know it.


 




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