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			 My Apache does not have fixed flap positions, and full down flap results in such an exteme nose down attitude that it makes the passengers think you are dive bombing the airport I kinda like it... As a result I routinely use partial flaps... A little bit on downwind to help slow the fatboy to 110 indicated, a bit more on base to give me 100 on the speedo, and final depends on the amount of wind and the angle to the runway... There is a flap position indicator on the panel but it is just this side of useless - besides being 3 feet away on the other side of the cockpit... I look over my shoulder as I lower the flap and set it by eyeball and feel... On a dark night I set it by the feel and experience... I agree that students and low time pilots need fixed flap settings at specific points int he pattern... denny  | 
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