An ADS-B In Question

On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-8, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 4:05:49 PM UTC-5, Vaughn Simon wrote:
On 1/18/2016 11:59 AM, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
1-The FCC rule section was linked.

Wrongly, or at least incompletely applied to today's personal
communications devices.

2-Follow-up info was linked (regarding cell frequencies used as well as prohibited).

Which you obviously didn't bother to read (or at least, understand).
Part H, which is where the reg you referenced comes from, only applies
to certain 800 MHZ frequency bands. Your personal communications device
might be operating on any of at least six other frequency bands.

3-I have not seen anyone show where my reading of the FCC rules is incorrect,
thus cellphone use INFLIGHT is against the FCC rules.

I did show it, you rejected it.

4-I don't see anything in the FCC rules that allows use of any tracker while inflight.

"Allows?" It's prohibitions that matter. If your REAL concern is
trackers, then make your case on that basis. Stop playing FCC lawyer on
the Internet.

Not an "FCC lawyer" either on the Internet or other places.
Not having an "agenda" for/against technology.

My comment on "cell based trackers" is whether or not these go against what airborne communications the FCC (in the US) allow, I'm not an expert, you "may" be better qualified than I am.

You saying I "rejected parts of your posts" is not valid in my mind, I posted items (as did another) and then you did 2 posts back to back. Sorta hard for anyone to reject something "after the fact".
This is my 1st response to you and your view/data.
Not sure where you came up with, "Which you obviously didn't bother to read (or at least, understand), Part H, which is where the reg you referenced comes from, only applies to certain 800 MHZ frequency bands."

My read is, quite a few freq's are banned from inflight use in the US.

Hey, while I'm a "sorta tech guy", radio communications is not my strong point, and we're trying to understand a US government agency rules. Sorta like, "FAA rules are clear & succinct, except for the exceptions".
Gives new meaning to, "Rules developed by lawyers so it takes a lawyer to understand.....sometimes....".

Not picking a fight (it's the Internet, grand scheme of things, I better things to do).
Speaking for myself, I have no control over the FAA, FCC, SSA RC, etc. Since I'm not a "current US contest pilot", I can't vote on current ideas or issues. That's my issue, not this forum.
I sorta get bent when peeps get slammed when they may have issues outside of the "small box" that create other issues.
Until I see further, I still think there are issues with ANY cellphone based communications (call, text, tracker) in the US while airborne.

[sorry, you have not convinced me, just added to the clutter to a sorta different thread...... I was only relying to a slam against the SSA RC on being Luddites]

We are seeking clarification on FCC regs as applies to use of mobile data in airplanes - or specifically gliders. There is also an investigation of the practicality of accessing tracking web pages over 3G, 4G, LTE networks in the US. Initial indications are that, when it comes to tracking data, it is better to give than to receive.

I'd point out that there is a difference between: 1) permitting in flight access to tracker aggregation web pages (both from a competitive and FCC perspective), 2) the practicality of anyone being able to get good enough access to gain situational awareness at a distance given the connectivity issues and various lags in the systems, 3) permitting use of tracker transmitters in general and 4) specifying which tracker transmitters are or are not permitted.

Today only SPOT and InReach are permitted (Sean - my InReach seems to show up on Glideport.aero just fine). The issue on the table would be to remove the prohibition on mobile phone transmitters without endorsing or requiring its use. Whether it is or isn't prohibited by the FCC and whether the FCC would prosecute a pilot for use of low bandwidth data in mostly remote locations is certainly worth evaluating for any individual pilot, but since tracking via phone isn't required by the rules, and other transmitters are available and in use, the RC would neither be endorsing nor precluding mobile data use for sending tracking info. Note that the tracking pages that support mobile phone trackers appear on SSA.org so there is already precedent that the SSA is neutral on the issue.

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