Why did Bush join the national guard?

Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that happens is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know because
I've already done it.

George Z.

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "George Z. Bush" am
Date: 9/5/2004 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that happens
is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know
because
I've already done it.

George Z.


That's just the 8th. Then add the 9th and the 15th and all the air forces in
the Pacific and you have a total that makes air duty the most hazardous in the
history of of warfare. Wanna live? Join anything but the Air Forces.. Or fly
B-52's over Iraq. Or do what Bush did. which was nothing.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "George Z. Bush" am
Date: 9/5/2004 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that
happens
is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you
tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know
because
I've already done it.

George Z.


That's just the 8th. Then add the 9th and the 15th and all the air forces
in
the Pacific and you have a total that makes air duty the most hazardous in
the
history of of warfare. Wanna live? Join anything but the Air Forces.. Or
fly
B-52's over Iraq. Or do what Bush did. which was nothing.


You mean, 'which was fly a dangerous, difficult, occasionally explosive,
1950's vintage supersonic interceptor for 3 years.'

'Nothing' is what you seem to do lately.

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
Date: 9/5/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "George Z. Bush" am
Date: 9/5/2004 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that
happens
is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you
tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know
because
I've already done it.

George Z.


That's just the 8th. Then add the 9th and the 15th and all the air forces
in
the Pacific and you have a total that makes air duty the most hazardous in
the
history of of warfare. Wanna live? Join anything but the Air Forces.. Or
fly
B-52's over Iraq. Or do what Bush did. which was nothing.


You mean, 'which was fly a dangerous, difficult, occasionally explosive,
1950's vintage supersonic interceptor for 3 years.'


Piece of cake compared ot a B-26 Marauder. Check rhe records. And what did you
fly?




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote:

Wanna live? Join anything but the Air Forces.. Or fly
B-52's over Iraq.

LOL...old man, you can bait me all you want, discredit my service to your
hearts content, I'll proudly stand in with the long line of men you've already
slandered. All you know about B-52s and Iraq was that we didn't lose any.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"George Z. Bush" wrote

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more casualties over
Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did world-wide throughout the entire
war.

Dying doesn't make you tough.

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that
happens is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you
tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know
because
I've already done it.

You must have done it wrong. "Half of the U.S. Army Air Forces' casualties
in World War II were suffered by Eighth Air Force (more than 47,000
casualties with more than 26,000 dead)."
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/usaf/8af.htm )

USMC casualties for the war totalled some ninety thousand, out of some 669K
who served in the USMC. Last I heard 90K was more than 47K. True, more 8th
AF personnel *died* in combat than Marines, but that is not what you said.

Your use of "casualty" is normally inclusive of wounded, deaths due to other
than combat causes, and MIA.

Brooks


George Z.

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 9/5/2004 1:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that
happens is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you
tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know
because
I've already done it.

You must have done it wrong. "Half of the U.S. Army Air Forces' casualties
in World War II were suffered by Eighth Air Force (more than 47,000
casualties with more than 26,000 dead)."
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/usaf/8af.htm )

USMC casualties for the war totalled some ninety thousand, out of some 669K
who served in the USMC. Last I heard 90K was more than 47K. True, more 8th
AF personnel *died* in combat than Marines, but that is not what you said.

Your use of "casualty" is normally inclusive of wounded, deaths due to other
than combat causes, and MIA.

Brooks


George Z.




And exactly what is your combat experience wannabee? Marines? Air Corps? A desk
in the states? Anything at all?




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/5/2004 3:56 PM Central Daylight Time
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 9/5/2004 1:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that
happens is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you
tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know
because
I've already done it.

You must have done it wrong. "Half of the U.S. Army Air Forces' casualties
in World War II were suffered by Eighth Air Force (more than 47,000
casualties with more than 26,000 dead)."
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/usaf/8af.htm )

USMC casualties for the war totalled some ninety thousand, out of some 669K
who served in the USMC. Last I heard 90K was more than 47K. True, more 8th
AF personnel *died* in combat than Marines, but that is not what you said.

Your use of "casualty" is normally inclusive of wounded, deaths due to other
than combat causes, and MIA.

Brooks


George Z.




And exactly what is your combat experience wannabee? Marines? Air Corps? A
desk
in the states? Anything at all?




Arthur Kramer

I get it now, being a passenger on a B-26 makes you an expert on WW2 casualties
and an expert on all things 8th AF? Get over yourself, art, the facts and
figures in print are derived from official records.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 9/5/2004 1:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that
happens is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you
tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained
more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google
the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know
because
I've already done it.

You must have done it wrong. "Half of the U.S. Army Air Forces'
casualties
in World War II were suffered by Eighth Air Force (more than 47,000
casualties with more than 26,000 dead)."
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/usaf/8af.htm )

USMC casualties for the war totalled some ninety thousand, out of some
669K
who served in the USMC. Last I heard 90K was more than 47K. True, more
8th
AF personnel *died* in combat than Marines, but that is not what you
said.

Your use of "casualty" is normally inclusive of wounded, deaths due to
other
than combat causes, and MIA.

Brooks


George Z.




And exactly what is your combat experience wannabee? Marines? Air Corps? A
desk
in the states? Anything at all?

I was born in 1962. A bit late for WWII, OK? Now, that said, the numbers
speak for themselves--or are you going to say the old War Department
statistics are all wrong? And for the last time--NOBODY wants to be you, OK?
Who wants to become a sad, whining, bitter little twit with a serious
self-esteem problem like the sorry excuse for a man that you have become?

Brooks





Arthur Kramer