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Time for Separate 18m Records?
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 7:29:09 AM UTC-4, Roy B. wrote:
Kristian: I think that you are correct about the world records - but more pilots (who cannot afford to go to Namibia or Argentina) are interested in national records for their country - and in those countries the difference between 18m and 27m is important. And on your last point, "I would actually like to acknowledge records made with pure glider. Now there is a difference" I agree completely. With a motor available, it is a different sport. Best regards ROY With a motor available it is an entirely different approach to sticking your neck out on a limb. Many times I cross the state and late in the afternoon must combat a headwind and declining conditions. I get back home, close my triangle and sit down and have a cold brew! Have I ever not made it back home, YES. Not to knock the guys and gals with motorgliders, although I do poke a bit of fun at them over the radio. I will call on the radio and ask if any of you guys at Seminole are flying your motorgliders? They usually laugh and say yes, they do have a good sense of humor! |
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Time for Separate 18m Records?
“13.5m is just historical burden of massively failed class that should have no record category or competition class”
Well thats a slap in the face to all us guys flying them! Stick you ass in one of these short wing birds and set a record before you condemn the whole class. If guys are worried that state, national, and world records are no longer attainable without oudles of money or super ships look at the 13 meter record lists, there are many areas where a person of meager means can chase records specially at the state level.. Dan Holder of 6 13n records |
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Time for Separate 18m Records?
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 6:34:22 PM UTC-4, wrote:
“13.5m is just historical burden of massively failed class that should have no record category or competition class” Well thats a slap in the face to all us guys flying them! Stick you ass in one of these short wing birds and set a record before you condemn the whole class. If guys are worried that state, national, and world records are no longer attainable without oudles of money or super ships look at the 13 meter record lists, there are many areas where a person of meager means can chase records specially at the state level.. Dan Holder of 6 13n records Dan: you are making the assumption that 13.5m gliders are affordable. Some low-performance models are, but as the expensive, higher-performance ones become more common, it will be more difficult to set even state records in a low-performance glider. E.g., I was all hot to set 13.5m state records in my 12.6m Russia AC4, but then a fellow club member bought a Mini-LAK, with "full-size" 13.5m wings, flaps, ballast etc, which has (according to the official handicaps) a 25% performance advantage. So now I think I'll concentrate on Sports Class records. In any case, the whole point (to me) is to challenge myself to go farther faster. In states where the official records (in some class) are sparse, trying for them is one way to do that. I fly in a small state. In larger states with more established records that is a much higher bar, simply given the history of other pilots' achievements. Witness the "reset the records" thread. So one is limited to other ways to measure ones' exploits against others, e.g., OLC. |
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Time for Separate 18m Records?
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 7:29:09 AM UTC-4, Roy B. wrote: Kristian: I think that you are correct about the world records - but more pilots (who cannot afford to go to Namibia or Argentina) are interested in national records for their country - and in those countries the difference between 18m and 27m is important. And on your last point, "I would actually like to acknowledge records made with pure glider. Now there is a difference" I agree completely. With a motor available, it is a different sport. Best regards ROY With a motor available it is an entirely different approach to sticking your neck out on a limb. Many times I cross the state and late in the afternoon must combat a headwind and declining conditions. I get back home, close my triangle and sit down and have a cold brew! Have I ever not made it back home, YES. Not to knock the guys and gals with motorgliders, although I do poke a bit of fun at them over the radio. I will call on the radio and ask if any of you guys at Seminole are flying your motorgliders? They usually laugh and say yes, they do have a good sense of humor! "With a motor available it is an entirely different approach to sticking your neck out on a limb." I find that pilots who believe this are nearly all ones who do not frequently (if ever) fly cross country in a motorglider, and are therefore speaking from ignorance. Sticking your neck out on a limb by depending on a motor is self limiting activity as even many time world champions have recently found out. It is a convenience, not a safety tool. As a convenience does it contribute to longer flights? It can, because the inconvenience of a retrieve is less of a consideration. So if you want your record attempts to be convenient and easy, either buy a motorglider or hire a full retrieve crew (the latter will cost you less). I have asked this before without response: produce an example of a record owned by a motorglider that was achieved by flying too low over unlandable terrain. If you cannot, then you have no argument. That should get this thread well hijacked! :-) |
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Time for Separate 18m Records?
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 7:34:19 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote: On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 7:29:09 AM UTC-4, Roy B. wrote: Kristian: I think that you are correct about the world records - but more pilots (who cannot afford to go to Namibia or Argentina) are interested in national records for their country - and in those countries the difference between 18m and 27m is important. And on your last point, "I would actually like to acknowledge records made with pure glider. Now there is a difference" I agree completely. With a motor available, it is a different sport. Best regards ROY With a motor available it is an entirely different approach to sticking your neck out on a limb. Many times I cross the state and late in the afternoon must combat a headwind and declining conditions. I get back home, close my triangle and sit down and have a cold brew! Have I ever not made it back home, YES. Not to knock the guys and gals with motorgliders, although I do poke a bit of fun at them over the radio. I will call on the radio and ask if any of you guys at Seminole are flying your motorgliders? They usually laugh and say yes, they do have a good sense of humor! "With a motor available it is an entirely different approach to sticking your neck out on a limb." I find that pilots who believe this are nearly all ones who do not frequently (if ever) fly cross country in a motorglider, and are therefore speaking from ignorance. Sticking your neck out on a limb by depending on a motor is self limiting activity as even many time world champions have recently found out. It is a convenience, not a safety tool. As a convenience does it contribute to longer flights? It can, because the inconvenience of a retrieve is less of a consideration. So if you want your record attempts to be convenient and easy, either buy a motorglider or hire a full retrieve crew (the latter will cost you less). I have asked this before without response: produce an example of a record owned by a motorglider that was achieved by flying too low over unlandable terrain. If you cannot, then you have no argument. That should get this thread well hijacked! :-) Not really. The most important thing is confidence. Having a motor improves confidence. For the original question make all the records brand and model specific. Problem solved. |
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