Wingdrop while stalling

Dave Hyde wrote:
Wright1902Glider wrote:


When tested at high AOA's, massive tip stalls caused the wing to roll 45
degrees and yaw 180 degrees about every 3 seconds.


Was this a model or was it piloted?

Dave 'bowling balls' Hyde

Yea, that'd be heck in a dog fight. You could fly a tight landing
pattern, though.

Nafod "nafod" 40

Hi all,

Thanks for your replies.

The a/c in question is:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Im...nt/Deepak.html

The wingdrop problem has been solved (some years back). Just learnt
that all the engineers did was to replace the counter-sunk flat top
rivets on the wing-top (holding the skin to the ribs) were replaced by
protruding pan-head rivets, which apparently energised the flow (made
it more turbulent?). There were rivets all over the wing, but more
towards the wing-root side. This solved the wing drop problem i.e. the
wing drop while stalling was then gentle enough to be handled by
novice pilots. I still am not completely satisfied with the turbulence
explaination... why should a more "energised" flow make the wing drop
less violent?

One character who worked on this kite several years ago said that the
stall actually started mid-wing, and progressed very quickly, so that
one wing (entire wing, not just the tip or root) stalled and dropped.
Dunno if he was farting or not.

Has anybody used the protruding rivet approach before to solve wing
aerodynamic problems before? Quite a minimalist solution!

Drake Lars

drake wrote:

Hi all,

Thanks for your replies.

The a/c in question is:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Im...nt/Deepak.html

The wingdrop problem has been solved (some years back). Just learnt
that all the engineers did was to replace the counter-sunk flat top
rivets on the wing-top (holding the skin to the ribs) were replaced by
protruding pan-head rivets, which apparently energised the flow (made
it more turbulent?). There were rivets all over the wing, but more
towards the wing-root side. This solved the wing drop problem i.e. the
wing drop while stalling was then gentle enough to be handled by
novice pilots. I still am not completely satisfied with the turbulence
explaination... why should a more "energised" flow make the wing drop
less violent?

Sounds like the round head rivets are acting like turbulators.

If the boundry layer is not attached to the surface, none of the
"energy" in the flow is transfered to the surface.

Basically, tickling the boundry layer like that causes it to reattach
to the surface. That's what they mean by "energizing" the flow.

Make more sense?

Richard (the new improved)Lamb

Hi ya'll!

Dave,

I could send ya a few photos of Chuck S. flying the same kinda gliders back in
the 70's. I may be a nut, but I'm not the only nut. ;-)

By the way, my Wright 1902 is also airworthy. I haven't tried flying it yet
though. It'll be a while before I have the financial and logistical resources
(and spare parts) to mount an expedition to Kitty Hawk with it.

Harry