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In article Xpzub.182485$9E1.956311@attbi_s52, dave
wrote: Mine isn't! Damn expensive AA batteries Dave what about the antenna? isn't that grounded? hint hint hint. Russell Kent wrote: Is the ELT ground tied to the plane's ground? :-) -- Bob Noel |
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Nope,
Its one of those little self contained units. It has one of those wire antennas that poke you in the eye when you go into my baggage compartment. Dave Bob Noel wrote: In article Xpzub.182485$9E1.956311@attbi_s52, dave wrote: Mine isn't! Damn expensive AA batteries Dave what about the antenna? isn't that grounded? hint hint hint. Russell Kent wrote: Is the ELT ground tied to the plane's ground? :-) |
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"dave" wrote in message news:Xpzub.182485$9E1.956311@attbi_s52... Mine isn't! Damn expensive AA batteries AA's? Who uses AA's. The ACK and AK both use D cells. |
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Bob Noel wrote: what about the antenna? isn't that grounded? hint hint hint. Mine isn't. George Patterson The actions taken by the New Hampshire Episcopalians (ie. inducting a gay bishop) are an affront to Christians everywhere. I am just thankful that the church's founder, Henry VIII, and his wife Catherine of Aragon, and his wife Anne Boleyn, and his wife Jane Seymour, and his wife Anne of Cleves, and his wife Katherine Howard, and his wife Catherine Parr are no longer here to suffer through this assault on traditional Christian marriages. |
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One additional thing I thought of is.....
Why do ground schools teach all of the rules of when you can test the ELT ( first 5 minutes of each hour ) if you are not authorized to test it? Anyone else find this curious? Kevin |
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Interesting point! I think the original intent there was lead-acid
starter batteries, but it does indeed just say "batteries". And I should correct my statement to say that while the owner/operator can replace the battery (hell, he can replace the entire engine), he can't make the logbook entry for return to service. My reasoning goes like this: The preventive maintenance section deals in particular with either easily replaceable parts, or SPECIFIC examples of life limited parts that the owner/operator can replace or repair. Given that the ELT battery is a life limited part (like an air or oil filter), to what extent is the owner allowed to dismantle an object to effect the replacement? Can he open a GPS to replace a memory back-up battery? If not, why not? It's a battery after all. I think the answer lies in what must be done after the replacement to declare that the item is airworthy, and just flipping the switch on the ELT and listening for a few sweeps doesn't qualify (IMHO). The all important g-switch must also be exercised (and probably the output power too), and neither of these falls under the purview of the owner/operator. Just my view; as always I'm looking forward to seeing reasons why I may be wrong! Rip Navion 5186K Ron Natalie wrote: "rip" wrote in message . com... Nope. The list of things an owner/operator is allowed to do is very specific. Replacing, testing, or logging the replacement or testing of an ELT battery is not on the list. (Appendix A to Part 43 -- Major Alterations, Major Repairs, and Preventive Maintenance). Item 24 on 43xA.vc is "Replacing and servicing batteries." |
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"Kevin Chandler" wrote in message ... One additional thing I thought of is..... Why do ground schools teach all of the rules of when you can test the ELT ( first 5 minutes of each hour ) if you are not authorized to test it? Who says you're not authorized to test it? The question is whether your testing satisfies the annual inspection requirement. There's more to the test than just turning it on. |
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"rip" wrote in message . com... Just my view; as always I'm looking forward to seeing reasons why I may be wrong! I'll argue two things here. First, for TSO-91c ELT's the instructions for the continued maintenance are spelled out specifically in the manual, including how to change the batteries. There's no requirement to do the G switch test (nor any overriding need to do so). That only has to be done every 12 months. However, even if such testing were required, I argue the the owner-pilot is still authorized to return it to service. After I replace my main aircraft battery you can be danged sure I'm going to test it before returning the aircraft to service. You're making requirements that don't exist in the regulations. As for changing internal batteries in things not designed to be easily accessible, that is covered by the initial phrase in 43xA.c "Preventive maintenance is limited to the following work provided it does not involve complex assembly operations." |
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If it's not spelled out in the ICA, that's good enough. Thanks, Ron!
Ron Natalie wrote: "rip" wrote in message . com... Just my view; as always I'm looking forward to seeing reasons why I may be wrong! I'll argue two things here. First, for TSO-91c ELT's the instructions for the continued maintenance are spelled out specifically in the manual, including how to change the batteries. There's no requirement to do the G switch test (nor any overriding need to do so). That only has to be done every 12 months. However, even if such testing were required, I argue the the owner-pilot is still authorized to return it to service. After I replace my main aircraft battery you can be danged sure I'm going to test it before returning the aircraft to service. You're making requirements that don't exist in the regulations. As for changing internal batteries in things not designed to be easily accessible, that is covered by the initial phrase in 43xA.c "Preventive maintenance is limited to the following work provided it does not involve complex assembly operations." |
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rip wrote: Interesting point! I think the original intent there was lead-acid starter batteries, but it does indeed just say "batteries". And I should correct my statement to say that while the owner/operator can replace the battery (hell, he can replace the entire engine), he can't make the logbook entry for return to service. According to a Wings seminar I once attended, not only is allowed to log what he/she did, the owner is *required* to log it. George Patterson A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something that can be learned no other way. |
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