Best Single Pilot IFR Plane

"Kevin" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:
starts at 350k?
That would buy you a nice bird !

Or you could get a plane.

Paul

We are looking for land right now so my wife can get another horse, she has to
board hers at a stable and she does not like doing it.
Land in vegas is way way over priced. So 350k for 2.5 acres, if it had a house
on it, would not be bad at all. 2.5 acres with nothing on it...not a chance.

Kevin wrote:

Jeff wrote:
starts at 350k?
is that just the land or the house also?

That is just for a lot approx 2.5 Acres. That would buy you a nice bird !


Kevin wrote:


Jeff wrote:

maybe you should list a price range you was wanting answers for
check out what John Travoltas flies
http://www.ipilot.com/forum/message....id=42554#42554


You bet, lots in the airpark he lives in start at $350K.

/www.jumbolair.com/


Charles Talleyrand wrote:



There must be people on the newsgroup that fly single pilot
IFR on a regular basis. These people have a schedule to make
and would rather not miss that schedule unless necessary. These people
don't have the need to carry many passengers, but just themselves.
My question is for these people ...

What sort of planes are you flying?

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:21:36 -0800, Jeff wrote:

starts at 350k?
is that just the land or the house also?

Many years ago... Actually it was over 30 years ago... My ex wife's
cousin moved to California. He was near the ocean and paid more than
that for a house on a lot that was so small it didn't hardly have a
yard. (Remember this was 30 plus years ago.)

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com


Kevin wrote:

Jeff wrote:
maybe you should list a price range you was wanting answers for
check out what John Travoltas flies
http://www.ipilot.com/forum/message....id=42554#42554

You bet, lots in the airpark he lives in start at $350K.

/www.jumbolair.com/

Charles Talleyrand wrote:


There must be people on the newsgroup that fly single pilot
IFR on a regular basis. These people have a schedule to make
and would rather not miss that schedule unless necessary. These people
don't have the need to carry many passengers, but just themselves.
My question is for these people ...

What sort of planes are you flying?

"Kevin" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:
maybe you should list a price range you was wanting answers for
check out what John Travoltas flies
http://www.ipilot.com/forum/message....id=42554#42554

You bet, lots in the airpark he lives in start at $350K.

/www.jumbolair.com/


Yeah, and check out who owns the development-- the original "nautilus babe"
and revlon model, who's also type-rated in 707 and 747! (IIRC)

I posted pix of Travolta's house over on alt.binaries.pictures.aviation...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas

I went back to read about her and damn, she accomplished alot before she was 25
yrs old!


John Clonts wrote:


Yeah, and check out who owns the development-- the original "nautilus babe"
and revlon model, who's also type-rated in 707 and 747! (IIRC)

I posted pix of Travolta's house over on alt.binaries.pictures.aviation...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas

"Charles Talleyrand" wrote
There must be people on the newsgroup that fly single pilot
IFR on a regular basis. These people have a schedule to make
and would rather not miss that schedule unless necessary. These people
don't have the need to carry many passengers, but just themselves.
My question is for these people ...

What sort of planes are you flying?

Well, I'm flying a Twin Comanche. This works for me because most of
my flying happens in the Gulf Coast region. If I'm outside that
region, I'm on a vacation trip and have significant flexibility.

The reason this works in the Gulf Coast - it's flat (MEA's are well
below the single engine service ceiling of my airplane) so turbos are
not necessary and combined IMC and icing down to the MEA's is
extremely rare (maybe once every few years) so deice capability is not
necessary. Embedded thunderstorms are the norm for IMC most of the
year, so weather avoidance is necessary. I have a stormscope for
that.

You have to realize that in a different part of the country, the
answer changes. In the Rockies, you probably need turbos, boots, and
RADAR to make it work. Also, there just are not that many people
using a personal airplane in this manner.

Michael

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:29:57 -0500, "Charles Talleyrand"
wrote:

There must be people on the newsgroup that fly single pilot
IFR on a regular basis. These people have a schedule to make
and would rather not miss that schedule unless necessary. These people
don't have the need to carry many passengers, but just themselves.
My question is for these people ...

What sort of planes are you flying?

My preference would be and I know this covers a wide range:
1. TBM 700 (almost purchased one)
2. MU-2 (fast, plenty of range, capable)
or
3. P 210 Fast(for a single), stable, and handles like a truck.
4. any number of the smaller pressurized twins.

I don't fly all that much IFR any more, but when I did I was severely
limited by "no known ice" and no storm scope.

In the Fall and Spring a fully equipped twin turboprop would still be
severely limited at times due to the icing conditions in the Great
Lakes area. However if you could set your schedule with some
flexibility you'd probably reach the 90 plus percent range.

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Charles Talleyrand" wrote in message ...
There must be people on the newsgroup that fly single pilot
IFR on a regular basis. These people have a schedule to make
and would rather not miss that schedule unless necessary. These people
don't have the need to carry many passengers, but just themselves.
My question is for these people ...

What sort of planes are you flying?

Charles,

I think you have two separate issues here.

1) single pilot IFR (subsidiary issue for a low time pilot)

2) schedule to make

A plane which is good for 1), especially for a low time pilot,
will be stable and relatively forgiving. Something like a
C182, maybe a C182TR.

A plane which is good for 2) will have known ice capability,
weather detection such as radar, service ceiling to climb above
some wx, and two engines.

A plane which will allow 2) may not be good for 1), especially
for a low time pilot.

A plane which will allow for 1) (especially for a low time
pilot) may not be good for 2)

FWIW,
Sydney

On 3 Dec 2003 13:06:02 -0800, (Snowbird)
wrote:

"Charles Talleyrand" wrote in message ...
There must be people on the newsgroup that fly single pilot
IFR on a regular basis. These people have a schedule to make
and would rather not miss that schedule unless necessary. These people
don't have the need to carry many passengers, but just themselves.
My question is for these people ...

What sort of planes are you flying?

Charles,

I think you have two separate issues here.

1) single pilot IFR (subsidiary issue for a low time pilot)

2) schedule to make

A plane which is good for 1), especially for a low time pilot,
will be stable and relatively forgiving. Something like a
C182, maybe a C182TR.

A plane which is good for 2) will have known ice capability,
weather detection such as radar, service ceiling to climb above
some wx, and two engines.


There are a couple of singles that will do this, but they cost way
more than a light pressurized twin.

One is the TBM-700 at a bit over 2 million (as I recall) and there is
another, not quite a pretty, but very capable. It and the TBM-700 are
very much alike.

Single pilot, capable, reliable, long range, and speed in the 300 knot
range.

and in the $2 million dollar plus range.


A plane which will allow 2) may not be good for 1), especially
for a low time pilot.

I'd change that "may not be" to "most likely won't be" :-))
It doesn't matter what they are flying, it would be a very rare low
time pilot who could keep any kind of scheduled series of IFR
flights.. I just don't think it'd be practical.

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com


A plane which will allow for 1) (especially for a low time
pilot) may not be good for 2)

FWIW,
Sydney

Charles Talleyrand wrote:

There must be people on the newsgroup that fly single pilot
IFR on a regular basis. These people have a schedule to make
and would rather not miss that schedule unless necessary. These people
don't have the need to carry many passengers, but just themselves.
My question is for these people ...

What sort of planes are you flying?

I fly a Warrior II, but I have a few special factors:

1. The meetings are not too frequent, and are never more than a few hours away.
2. I'm self-employed, so I can leave a day early and stay a day late if
necessary.
3. I live close to a major airport, where I can get a last-minute full-fare
flight when I need one.

Considering these conditions, along with the fact that I have under 250
hours' flying time, it makes sense for me to fly a very inexpensive plane
and just pay for the occasional commercial airline ticket when the weather
turns on me. So far, I've had to do that once this fall (New York, during
heavy icing). The difference in operating cost between a single-engine
Cherokee ( USD 10K/year) and a pressurized twin with known ice and radar
(USD 40K/year) will pay for an awful lot of full-fare airline tickets.

On the other hand, if you have the experience and ratings and you travel to
a lot of meetings (more than one/week), your meetings are far away, you
cannot spare the occasional extra day, or you are flying between places not
well-served by commercial air service, then the high-end plane starts to
make a lot more sense. Just try putting dollar values on it: how much would
it cost you (money down and opportunity cost) to fly yourself 90% of the
time and fly commercial the remaining 10%, vs. paying the extra money to
operate a plane where you can fly yourself 99% of the time? It all depends
on how much your business time is worth.

Of course, if the goal is simply to think of reasons to buy an expensive
plane and write it off against your taxes, then feel free to disregard the
preceeding part of this posting, and have fun: you know we'll all be envying
you.


All the best,


David