Piper Pacer V-speeds

Maule Driver wrote:

I'm curious, what's the thinking/experience behind wheelies? Squirrelly?
Prone to nose over? ??

Tall gear, narrow gear, springy bungees, short coupled
(dist from mains to tail-wheel), high CG, short wings,
fuel load inboard (low rotation moment of inertia),
relatively big rudder area (crosswinds). It takes a
good 30 hours in a Pacer to get "happy feet". Wheel
landings should not be attempted until good tail
wheel skills are firmly ingrained.

No real reason for doing wheelies anyway, except for proving
manliness (and possibly night landings, so the landing light
shines down the runway).

Mine has agressively drooped wingtips, and lands so
slow that in heavy cross winds the best strategy is to land the
tailwheel first, followed by the upwind main, finally followed
by the downwind main. The steerability of the tail wheel
helps keep the tail from weathervaning.

MikeM
Pacer '00Z

"MikeM" wrote in message
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Maule Driver wrote:

I'm curious, what's the thinking/experience behind wheelies?
Squirrelly?
Prone to nose over? ??

Tall gear, narrow gear, springy bungees, short coupled
(dist from mains to tail-wheel), high CG, short wings,
fuel load inboard (low rotation moment of inertia),
relatively big rudder area (crosswinds). It takes a
good 30 hours in a Pacer to get "happy feet". Wheel
landings should not be attempted until good tail
wheel skills are firmly ingrained.

No real reason for doing wheelies anyway, except for proving
manliness (and possibly night landings, so the landing light
shines down the runway).

Mine has agressively drooped wingtips, and lands so
slow that in heavy cross winds the best strategy is to land the
tailwheel first, followed by the upwind main, finally followed
by the downwind main. The steerability of the tail wheel
helps keep the tail from weathervaning.

Not too different from the Maule in some respects. Maule may be a little
more stable in winds and stuff. No reason to ever 2 point I've ever found
except if landing with a flat tailwheel. No matter what the wind, 2 point
with the downwind wheel down last of course. Tail wheel first is good way
to ensure no bounce but I never do that anymore. Weathervanes like an SOB
in high winds.

Thanks!

jsmith ) wrote:
: I may have the opportunity to ferry a Piper Pacer in the next 10 day
: Can anyone provide the requisit v-speeds?

From our POH:

NORMAL CLIMBOUT (PA20-125) 87mph

APPROACH AND LANDING (PA20-125):
FULL FLAPS-- 60-70mph
NO FLAPS-- 70mph

V SPEEDS

Vs -- 51mph
Vso -- 46
Vfe -- 80
Va -- 106
Vno -- 126
Vne -- 158

No Vx, Vy, or Best Glide in the book.

We practice wheel landings on a regular basis, and I don't see a big
problem with them, but it's true, you're not likely to need them.

--Mike

Thanks to all who replied.
I learned allot from the extra chatter.
Any other comments appreciated.