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On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:48:08 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote: snip Well, I guess there's a first time for everything. :~) Sounds, though, like you're trying to justify a decision you've already made. Dude, I haven't made any decision, I'm just keeping an open mind. The RV series offers an incredible 'bang for the buck'. If the IRS frowns on homebuilts, or if there is a production a/c with similar performance at a similar value, I'd definately consider it for this role. For both business and personal travel. But I don't see a 200kt, IFR capable, 600# useful load, 800 mile range a/c being produced for around $100,000. The Cirrus SR20 comes closest at $200,000+. -j- |
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 13:38:50 GMT, Smutny
wrote: On Tue, 25 May 2004 06:14:55 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller" wrote: "Smutny" wrote in message . .. My current business has no need for travel other than annual conventions. However, I'm looking at puchasing a company that writes software for municipalities, so I see a definate possibility of using a plane to visit cities around the state. How about around the region? Yes, there are some neighboring states that have a right structure that make them possible customers. But I'd be speaking out of turn to say that they're a definate market without more research. One question I have that I don't recall ever seeing discussed here... When you purchase a plane for business use, can it be a homebuilt? It can be whatever you want, though the IRS might look askew at you when you put stuff on your tax return. I suppose the IRS has some documentation one what they want. Anyone know the document numbers? For instance, a RV-6/7 would be an ideal platform for buzzing around the state visiting customers. And limiting your business too much. An RV has the performace to easily reach out to the region. To get similar performance out of a production airplane I'd be looking at well over twice the cost. How's it's reliability? Are you willing to cancel appointments? Critical ones, such as closure meetings? Sounds like (I maybe wrong) you're fitting your business to match your aircraft whims, rather than your aircraft SPECS to match your business needs. Not really. The business is established and ripe for expansion. Yes I do have a real soft spot for the RV series. However; to get the same speed and range, one would have to look at a SR20 or retract single. Even an older 182RG costs (initial and maintenance) are well above a RV. As far as reliablity, spending the time to find a well built example, and utilizing the expertise of a trusted builder to help with the purchase, I have no doubt that reliability will meet or exceed a production single. I own a homebuilt now, and it is has be the most reliable airplane I've ever flown. I've never flown in an RV, so I have to ask this question: Do they have sufficient baggage area to use effectively for business? Sure most of us only require a suitcase, laptop, and projector these days... I just imagine stuffing more than that in an RV would be difficult. |
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:54:13 GMT, Smutny
wrote: On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:48:08 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller" wrote: snip Well, I guess there's a first time for everything. :~) Sounds, though, like you're trying to justify a decision you've already made. Dude, I haven't made any decision, I'm just keeping an open mind. The RV series offers an incredible 'bang for the buck'. If the IRS frowns on homebuilts, or if there is a production a/c with similar performance at a similar value, I'd definately consider it for this role. For both business and personal travel. But I don't see a 200kt, IFR capable, 600# useful load, 800 mile range a/c being produced for around $100,000. The Cirrus SR20 comes closest at $200,000+. If the homebuilt path doesn't pan out, or if you would rather buy than build, an older Mooney 201 will meet your price target, but fall a small amount short on speed (the 201 is 201mph). A Mooney 231 meets all of your requirements, but average cost is more like $125k... There are 231s with runout engines for sale for $100k however. -Nathan |
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I've never flown in an RV, so I have to ask this question: Do they
have sufficient baggage area to use effectively for business? Sure most of us only require a suitcase, laptop, and projector these days... I just imagine stuffing more than that in an RV would be difficult. The baggage area is a pretty good size; you could get more than that inside it. Maybe two suitcases if they aren't too big, or definately 2-3 duffel bags, a tent, and your laptop. And if you don't have to take a passenger along, you can remove the seat back and lay things down in there too. Some guys have even made modifications to the aft bulkhead (extending the baggage compartment some more) so they can carry their golf clubs with them. But yes, the things you mentioned above would fit comfortably, at least in a 6/7/9. The 10 has even more room, being a 4-seater and all. I know a guy that used to use his -6A for business; he was a state representative and used it to fly from his home district to our airport near the state capitol. As far as costs, an RV-6/7 would run about 45-50k to build yourself. Not sure what they go for completed. If you build it yourself, you can do your own annuals, and I'm not sure how much of the maintenance you can do if you aren't the "primary builder." |
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:37:46 GMT, Nathan Young
wrote: On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:54:13 GMT, Smutny wrote: On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:48:08 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller" wrote: snip Well, I guess there's a first time for everything. :~) Sounds, though, like you're trying to justify a decision you've already made. Dude, I haven't made any decision, I'm just keeping an open mind. The RV series offers an incredible 'bang for the buck'. If the IRS frowns on homebuilts, or if there is a production a/c with similar performance at a similar value, I'd definately consider it for this role. For both business and personal travel. But I don't see a 200kt, IFR capable, 600# useful load, 800 mile range a/c being produced for around $100,000. The Cirrus SR20 comes closest at $200,000+. If the homebuilt path doesn't pan out, or if you would rather buy than build, an older Mooney 201 will meet your price target, but fall a small amount short on speed (the 201 is 201mph). A Mooney 231 meets all of your requirements, but average cost is more like $125k... There are 231s with runout engines for sale for $100k however. -Nathan I've thought of Mooney's and flown a friend's M20E. There are a couple things about the Mooney that keeps it from the top of my list. Too cramped for me and only one door top the list. At this stage I also would like to stay away from retracts from the simple point of more systems = more possible points of failure. -j- |
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:32:46 GMT, Nathan Young
wrote: On Tue, 25 May 2004 13:38:50 GMT, Smutny wrote: On Tue, 25 May 2004 06:14:55 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller" wrote: "Smutny" wrote in message ... My current business has no need for travel other than annual conventions. However, I'm looking at puchasing a company that writes software for municipalities, so I see a definate possibility of using a plane to visit cities around the state. How about around the region? Yes, there are some neighboring states that have a right structure that make them possible customers. But I'd be speaking out of turn to say that they're a definate market without more research. One question I have that I don't recall ever seeing discussed here... When you purchase a plane for business use, can it be a homebuilt? It can be whatever you want, though the IRS might look askew at you when you put stuff on your tax return. I suppose the IRS has some documentation one what they want. Anyone know the document numbers? For instance, a RV-6/7 would be an ideal platform for buzzing around the state visiting customers. And limiting your business too much. An RV has the performace to easily reach out to the region. To get similar performance out of a production airplane I'd be looking at well over twice the cost. How's it's reliability? Are you willing to cancel appointments? Critical ones, such as closure meetings? Sounds like (I maybe wrong) you're fitting your business to match your aircraft whims, rather than your aircraft SPECS to match your business needs. Not really. The business is established and ripe for expansion. Yes I do have a real soft spot for the RV series. However; to get the same speed and range, one would have to look at a SR20 or retract single. Even an older 182RG costs (initial and maintenance) are well above a RV. As far as reliablity, spending the time to find a well built example, and utilizing the expertise of a trusted builder to help with the purchase, I have no doubt that reliability will meet or exceed a production single. I own a homebuilt now, and it is has be the most reliable airplane I've ever flown. I've never flown in an RV, so I have to ask this question: Do they have sufficient baggage area to use effectively for business? Sure most of us only require a suitcase, laptop, and projector these days... I just imagine stuffing more than that in an RV would be difficult. That's one of the points that makes the RV-7 so attractive to me. The RV-3 & -4 don't have much space, but those are older models. Even the tandem -8 has two storage areas. -j- |
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Scott Benger wrote in message . ..
What kind of business are you in and how do you use your owned airplane for business as a productivity tool (not just a tax write-off)? There have been plenty of discussions on this group about tax issues, but few on the use of an airplane to make a business more successful. Me? Unfortuanately my accounting work has no business need for an airplane (yet?). I work as a broadcast engineer. I often use my airplane for transportation to sites around the country where I go to work on transmitters. It's more convenient and often faster than commercial flights with all their security, waiting and conncetions. There are no hassles with tools, test equipment and parts that I may need to take along. Makes me love my job. -- Gene Seibel http://pad39a.com/gene/broadcast.html Because I fly, I envy no one. |
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