Too many pilots in the cockpit spoil the landing...

As PIC, is the left seat pilot responsible for wrestling the
controls from the commercial pilot?

What does being the left seat pilot have to do with being PIC?

Nothing. It was just an identifying descriptor according to the story. If he
was said to have a red shirt, I would have called him "the pilot in the red
shirt."

Marco

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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As PIC, is the left seat pilot responsible for wrestling the
controls from the commercial pilot?

What does being the left seat pilot have to do with being PIC?



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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:39:39 GMT, Greg Esres wrote
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What does being the left seat pilot have to do with being PIC?

It's a convention in some aircraft insurance policies, IIRC.

It's a convention in some aircraft insurance policies, IIRC.

No doubt, but this wasn't an insurance company report.

The poster showed a common misperception that the left seat pilot is
automatically the PIC, since the report did not give any indication as
to who was PIC. I was just doing my part to dispel that notion. ;-)

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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It's a convention in some aircraft insurance policies, IIRC.

No doubt, but this wasn't an insurance company report.

The poster showed a common misperception that the left seat pilot is
automatically the PIC, since the report did not give any indication as
to who was PIC. I was just doing my part to dispel that notion. ;-)

I hope you are not referring to my post because, as I stated, the "left
seat" was used only to identify one person from the other.





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I guess the safe thing would be to insure that if you're flying in a
friend's plane that he has a higher rating than you..G
An interesting thing happened at my home field S-44 last week. A chap a few
hangers up from me took out his pristine Luscombe out for some local flying.
A CFI from the local FBO comment he had no conventional gear time and was
invited to go along for a ride.

When landing to the South, there are some very tall trees which necessitates
a displaced threshold of 250 feet. Well coming down final, the pilot was too
low and the CFI passenger mentioned this a couple of times. He did not take
over the controls. The Luscombe was so low that you can see scrape marks on
the bottom of the cowl where he got the fence. The plane of course flipped &
was totally destroyed. The owner had some serious lacerations, the CFI
passenger scrapes and bruises.

So instead of an interesting ride, the CFI passenger might be facing a
career move.

Cheers:

Paul
NC2273H

.....according to the commercial pilot.

--
Montblack
"Just the usual inanity"


"Gene Seibel"
NTSB Identification: DEN04LA009
Accident occurred Sunday, October 12, 2003 in Las Cruces, NM
Aircraft: Piper PA-28-140, registration: N891GP
Injuries: 2 Uninjured.
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As the airplane approached the departure end of runway
08, the commercial pilot took control of the airplane. He added power
to attempt a go-around. The airplane began to stall/mush and the right
main landing gear caught a patch of sage brush and the airplane
impacted the terrain. The impact with terrain separated the right main
landing gear and displaced the right wing.

wax on
wax off
power on
power off
full power
pull power
take off power!
ok
crash
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Jim Burns III

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"Gene Seibel" wrote in message
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NTSB Identification: DEN04LA009
Accident occurred Sunday, October 12, 2003 in Las Cruces, NM
Aircraft: Piper PA-28-140, registration: N891GP
Injuries: 2 Uninjured.

According to the commercial pilot, they were repositioning the
aircraft for Arizona Aero Tech and were stopping at Las Cruces to
refuel. The private pilot, seated in the left seat, was flying the
airplane, and was attempting to land on runway 08. During the landing
flare, a wind gust caught the airplane and it began to drift off of
the runway centerline. The private pilot pulled the throttle and
continued to land. At that time, the commercial pilot added power to
attempt a go-around, and the private pilot pulled the throttle a
second time. As the airplane approached the departure end of runway
08, the commercial pilot took control of the airplane. He added power
to attempt a go-around. The airplane began to stall/mush and the right
main landing gear caught a patch of sage brush and the airplane
impacted the terrain. The impact with terrain separated the right main
landing gear and displaced the right wing.
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Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.