DUI's and flying?

In article ,
Part86 wrote:
My second dui was the first and only time
I drank before driving since my first one. The cop was waiting in the parking
lot of teh bar for it to close (can you say entrapment?).

"Entrapment" must be second only to "ironic" on the list of words that
people misuse.

Anyway, if you do someday find yourself in an interview for a flying job
you'd better be willing to take responsibility for your actions when they
ask about the DUI.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

In article ,
Part86 wrote:
I didn't intend to have my post fuel an argument about alcoholism but some of
the responses have been really ignorant.

If you think it's logical to associate how many times someone has been caught
drinking while driving with how much they actually do it then you have a
serious judgement problem.

You state that your are 23 years old and have two DUIs. The legal age
to drink (USA) is 21. Hence in two years time you have (at least) twice
join extermely poor judgement. This error in judgement endangered your
life and the life of those on the road around you. The FAA is actually a
pretty 'nice' governement organization but they take drinking and flying
VERY seriously.
If you only drank twice a year or conusume alcohol 24/7 is NOT the
issue. It's the poor choices that you have made in a very short period of
time.

My friend IS an alcoholic. He drives drunk every night after 5 shots minimum.
He's been pulled over 4 times and been let go. He has no DUI's. Now that is
good luck. I have the opposite luck. My second dui was the first and only time
I drank before driving since my first one. The cop was waiting in the parking
lot of teh bar for it to close (can you say entrapment?).

No one here cares about luck or the way that drinking and driving is
handled in the USA (which is fairly poorly). They are only commenting on
the choices that you have made and how they relate to aviation. The FAA
has very set polices on these things.
Unfair? well

**** happens sometimes! I drink maybe once every two weeks. Maybe some may
consider that alcohol abuse but I don't.

Abuse? Well that is a bit harsh. Stupid choices, that's dead on. Its
not our fault that you drunk, drove and got caught. The fact that several
other people do not get caught is not of any concern to the FAA.

Thanks to those who stayed on topic and gave me some helpful advice I
appreciate it.

You got both. You should call a local AME (can get info from database
at http://www.landings.com) and ask.

Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

You can "self certify" yourself if you want to fly gliders if you are unable
to get a medical or if the FAA won't grant the certificate.

(I am assuming "he")

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
newssQxb.341166$Tr4.1030000@attbi_s03...
My problem is that I have two DUI's and I don't know how that effects my
opportunities. Does anyone have any knowledge on this subject? I'm 23
years old
and I don't neccessarily have to be a commercial pilot, but I'd like to
fly.

If you are still a practicing alcoholic, the answer is "no".

However, even if you're now sober, I suspect you'll have a hard time
getting
your 3rd Class Medical approved.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Richard Hertz" wrote in message
. ..
Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

How else would you label him?

Simon

("S. Ramirez" wrote)
Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

How else would you label him?


I was 23 .....20 years ago.
(Don't make me go back to 1983. Please!!)

I have NEVER been pulled over ......on a "DWI".
I have NEVER had to put DUI on any paperwork.

I was (way way) stupid, too many times back in those days - and lucked out.

He got caught.

I'm here to tell you, being an idiot doesn't automatically make you an
alcoholic.


Now, stop being an idiot and go take some lessons. g

--
Montblack
http://lumma.de/mt/archives/bart.gif

I wouldn't. Why the alcoholic label?


"S. Ramirez" wrote in message
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"Richard Hertz" wrote in message
. ..
Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

How else would you label him?

Simon

Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)


Thank you! I am by no means an alcoholic! That is a ridiculous assumtion to
make. I'm 23 and yes I made some really stupid choices but I'm not an
alcoholic. I got them at ages 19 and 21 when I was in a college town partying.

Now you've gone and done it. They are going to jump all over you.
According to the "experts" on "alcoholism" denial is a sure giveaway.

(sorry to be so cavalier about your predicament)

"Part86" wrote in message
...
Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)


Thank you! I am by no means an alcoholic! That is a ridiculous assumtion
to
make. I'm 23 and yes I made some really stupid choices but I'm not an
alcoholic. I got them at ages 19 and 21 when I was in a college town
partying.

Thank you! I am by no means an alcoholic! That is a ridiculous assumtion
to
make. I'm 23 and yes I made some really stupid choices but I'm not an
alcoholic. I got them at ages 19 and 21 when I was in a college town
partying.

Listen, Part -- I live in a college party town. Every football weekend the
jails are chock-full of drunks, and I occasionally have to deal with the
results of their partying in my hotel.

Despite this, given the huge number of students involved (35,000 students),
the odds of any one person getting TWO DUIs around here are almost
unimaginably small. One conviction could happen to almost anyone -- but
two?

You may not be an alcoholic -- you may just be an unlucky party boy. Either
way, I sincerely hope you've learned to take it easy -- for everyone's sake.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Listen, Jay-- It sounds like you have issues with people who drink alcohol.
Your rants about drinking have no bearing on this person's question.
Instead of keeping quiet you chose to jump all over him.

I sincerely hope you learn to take it easy posting to this board -- for
everyone's sake.


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:VK3yb.351564$Tr4.1044549@attbi_s03...
Thank you! I am by no means an alcoholic! That is a ridiculous
assumtion
to
make. I'm 23 and yes I made some really stupid choices but I'm not an
alcoholic. I got them at ages 19 and 21 when I was in a college town
partying.

Listen, Part -- I live in a college party town. Every football weekend
the
jails are chock-full of drunks, and I occasionally have to deal with the
results of their partying in my hotel.

Despite this, given the huge number of students involved (35,000
students),
the odds of any one person getting TWO DUIs around here are almost
unimaginably small. One conviction could happen to almost anyone -- but
two?

You may not be an alcoholic -- you may just be an unlucky party boy.
Either
way, I sincerely hope you've learned to take it easy -- for everyone's
sake.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"