presidential TFR - 3,291 statute miles square!

Folks -- time to remember....whoever is living in the white house does
not dictate security measures. It's the USSS (US Secret Service).
And it's unlikely that any president is ever going to override them
for anything. If the massive hose-up for Boston is not grounds for being
overridden, then nothing is. Security issues and management have been
getting more and more strict the past 30 years. It's just more
visible now.

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 May 2004 12:18:48 -0400, Tom A. Carlson wrote:

"The biggest problem: The convention's at Fleet Center, and Fleet is
right
next to North Station - the transportation hub of the Hub. It includes a
commuter-rail station and a subway stop, both of which will be closed.

Worse, the city's major north-south thoroughfare, I-93, runs underground
right next to the Fleet Center - and the Secret Service demands it be
shut
down for hours each day, including the entire afternoon commute, and not
just in the affected area, but for miles in either direction. Bridges and
tunnels will also be blocked."
-- Beantown Lockdown - NY Post
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/op...ists/21741.htm


whoever is in charge, you'll have those restrictions.
well, either you are very happy with them or it's time to kick some
people's ass. You know, _we_ the people ....

"We the people" can do squat!

On Mon, 31 May 2004 06:27:42 +0100, S Green wrote:

whoever is in charge, you'll have those restrictions.
well, either you are very happy with them or it's time to kick some
people's ass. You know, _we_ the people ....

"We the people" can do squat!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ooo---oooh land of the free .... land of the brave ...

scnr.
:-)

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Ummmm .... I think you mean "square miles."

3291 miles square would cover approximately all of the US and Canada.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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Ummmm .... I think you mean "square miles."

3291 miles square would cover approximately all of the US and Canada.
The US is 3.2 MILLION square miles.

On Mon, 31 May 2004 02:55:04 -0700, Tom Sixkiller wrote:

Ummmm .... I think you mean "square miles."

3291 miles square would cover approximately all of the US and Canada.
The US is 3.2 MILLION square miles.

and 3,291 x 3,291 (3,291 miles square) equals 10,830,681

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Martin Hotze wrote:

On Mon, 31 May 2004 02:55:04 -0700, Tom Sixkiller wrote:

Ummmm .... I think you mean "square miles."

3291 miles square would cover approximately all of the US and Canada.
The US is 3.2 MILLION square miles.

and 3,291 x 3,291 (3,291 miles square) equals 10,830,681

No, that would be miles *squared*, not miles square.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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Ummmm .... I think you mean "square miles."

3291 miles square would cover approximately all of the US and Canada.
The US is 3.2 MILLION square miles.

sigh

find a fourth grade math book, and look up the difference between "xxx
square miles" and "xxx miles square".

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...
Ummmm .... I think you mean "square miles."

3291 miles square would cover approximately all of the US and Canada.
The US is 3.2 MILLION square miles.

sigh

find a fourth grade math book, and look up the difference between "xxx
square miles" and "xxx miles square".
Er.
That is _exactly_ what he is saying. The title of this thread, is '3291
statute miles square', which would be 10830681 square miles. As he says,
this would cover the whole of the US and Canade, plus a bit over. He was
simply pointing out that the thread should really be entitled either 'about
58 miles square', or '3291 square miles', rather than the current title...

Best Wishes

Yeah Lord knows we dont want a leader who does what he says. Think of
the fun we'll have with Kerry ....Every day a different stance on every
issue!!! And you thought it was fun riding the "gravatron" you haven't
even begun to spin If Kerry gets elected.

And while he has us dizzy...

We'll get to see him taking the money out of our wallets and
re-distributing it to those that he sees fit. We'll get to see our
heritage and history completed removed from our view. We'll get to see
the Jews pushed into the Sea. We'll get to see terrorists murdering our
citizens, cause we know how much respect Isalmo-facists respect
Democrats and appeasement (Tell them all about it Jimmy Carter).

And for your choice of Kerry we will also get to ...

Pay 15.00 for avgas because thats our fair share and have to contribute
to the Kyoto treaty. Dont wanna disturb the artic fly and their
breeding cycle in ANWAR.

We will get the UN (dictators, socialsits and despotits) to tell us when
and where we'll use our defense to protect us. Only after they have
divvied up the latest oil for money proceeds.

We will get Abortion on demand, syringes in our schools and
homosexuality projected as the way it should be.



Reagan reminds us that leadership has burdens, burdens we all must
carry.. but it must be carried and acted on. Lets not waiver in our way
of life and submit to the easy way out.

I know a great way to get rid of the TFRs ... get rid of the people that
have caused them in the first place, not elect their friends into
office.






Larry Dighera wrote in
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Fortunately, we won't have to put up with this clown much longer:


-------------------------------------------------------------------
AVflash Volume 10, Number 22a -- May 23, 2004
-------------------------------------------------------------------

THE TFR THAT WAS, THE PRESIDENT THAT WASN'T ... THERE
Saturday (according to a TFR issued May 20) saw the airspace around
Austin (Texas) Bergstrom International Airport restricted for GA
traffic and open for the president ... who showed up but then skipped
the event he was in town to see. Alas, the Temporary Flight
Restriction, which read in part, "AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE
PROHIBITED WITHIN 30 NMR UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL1801" ... and then
in part two... "ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE 30 NMR TFR SHALL
BE ON AN ACTIVE IFR OR VFR FLIGHT PLAN" was offered to the flying
public regardless of (clarity or) presidential presence. The
restrictions were intended to allow presidential access to the area
relatively free from free-range light aircraft and allow the proud
Bush parents to witness the graduation of daughter Jenna ... who also
didn't show up. Consistency, at least.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#187342


On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:32:13 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote in Message-Id: :


It looks like we're not the only ones who think baby Bush's 3,000+
square mile TFRs are too big:


-------------------------------------------------------------
AOPA ePilot Volume 5, Issue 50 December 12, 2003
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PENNSYLVANIA LAWMAKERS CALL FOR SMALLER TFRs
Remember that poor pipeline patrol pilot who unwittingly flew over
the presidential motorcade in Philadelphia earlier this year? The
Pennsylvania legislature certainly does. AOPA President Phil Boyer
was the honored guest of state Rep. Gene McGill, an AOPA member, as
the House of Representatives on Monday passed, by a near-unanimous
vote, a resolution that calls on federal security officials to reduce
the size of temporary flight restrictions (TFRs) resulting from
presidential travel. The four-page resolution asks for authorities to
"reconsider the need to issue such restrictions based on nonspecific
threats and ways to improve the timely dissemination of flight
restriction information to pilots." The resolution will be sent to
key federal government officials. See AOPA Online
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...03-4-139x.html ).



On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:06:37 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote in Message-Id: :

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:07:34 -0400, Cub Driver
wrote in Message-Id: :

The prezdint is coming to Portsmouth and Manchester NH this week,
and AOPA reminds us that in such cases he is usually accompanied by
a 60-mile TFR.

Right. Baby Bush inflicts a 60 nm diameter no-fly-zone on the NAS
wherever he goes in this country. They call it a 30 nm TFR, but it's
really 2,826 nautical miles square, or 3,291 statute miles square!

All he has to do to defeat the Democrats next year is to be near
their convention site during its duration; air transportation will be
halted.

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Irrational beliefs ultimately lead to irrational acts.
-- Larry Dighera,