Weight & Balance Question

89 pounds overweight? Sounds like this one...
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...08X05676&key=1

Harry Gordon wrote:

I have a question that I know the legal answer for but am looking for some
alternative suggestions.

Tomorrow, I want to take my daughter and son-in-law on a flight in a C172M.
We will be flying to an airport almost 50 NM from our departure point. The
problem is this: with a full fuel load, we will be 89 pounds over the max
(2300 lbs). The CG is no problem. The only issue is the weight. I don't want
to leave one of them behind, and I certainly don't want to leave myself
behind :-))).

I am hoping that the plane wasn't refilled after it's last flight but I
won't know until I go to the airport to get the plane. Should it be full
and I don't have the needed 15 gals of fuel dumped, should I be concerned
about being 90 lbs over?

Please be nice in your answers. I feel like an idiot even asking because I
am concerned and if it wasn't for the fact they are visiting us for
Christmas, I would take one at a time on two separate trips!!! And at the
same time, I'm not in a hurry to get us hurt (or worse) just in the name of
having fun.

Thanks.

Harry

when you least expect it.. the extra pounds will come up and bite you..

any other day.. and the extra weight would not have even been noticed..

when ever flying beyond the recommendations of the POH, you are now a Test
Pilot, without the knowledge of what being a test pilot means, nor the
training to safely explore.. where man has gone before.. but not documented
it.

One interesting phase of "test pilot" is "envelope expansion"

BT

"Mateo" wrote in message
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89 pounds overweight? Sounds like this one...
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...08X05676&key=1

Harry Gordon wrote:

I have a question that I know the legal answer for but am looking for
some
alternative suggestions.

Tomorrow, I want to take my daughter and son-in-law on a flight in a
C172M.
We will be flying to an airport almost 50 NM from our departure point.
The
problem is this: with a full fuel load, we will be 89 pounds over the
max
(2300 lbs). The CG is no problem. The only issue is the weight. I don't
want
to leave one of them behind, and I certainly don't want to leave myself
behind :-))).

I am hoping that the plane wasn't refilled after it's last flight but I
won't know until I go to the airport to get the plane. Should it be
full
and I don't have the needed 15 gals of fuel dumped, should I be
concerned
about being 90 lbs over?

Please be nice in your answers. I feel like an idiot even asking because
I
am concerned and if it wasn't for the fact they are visiting us for
Christmas, I would take one at a time on two separate trips!!! And at
the
same time, I'm not in a hurry to get us hurt (or worse) just in the name
of
having fun.

Thanks.

Harry

And believe me, I "ain't" no test pilot! - I'm doing good just to be a new
PP :-).

Harry

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:CnLGb.41368$m83.16083@fed1read01...
when you least expect it.. the extra pounds will come up and bite you..

any other day.. and the extra weight would not have even been noticed..

when ever flying beyond the recommendations of the POH, you are now a Test
Pilot, without the knowledge of what being a test pilot means, nor the
training to safely explore.. where man has gone before.. but not
documented
it.

One interesting phase of "test pilot" is "envelope expansion"

BT

"Mateo" wrote in message
...
89 pounds overweight? Sounds like this one...
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...08X05676&key=1

Harry Gordon wrote:

I have a question that I know the legal answer for but am looking for
some
alternative suggestions.

Tomorrow, I want to take my daughter and son-in-law on a flight in a
C172M.
We will be flying to an airport almost 50 NM from our departure point.
The
problem is this: with a full fuel load, we will be 89 pounds over the
max
(2300 lbs). The CG is no problem. The only issue is the weight. I
don't
want
to leave one of them behind, and I certainly don't want to leave
myself
behind :-))).

I am hoping that the plane wasn't refilled after it's last flight but
I
won't know until I go to the airport to get the plane. Should it be
full
and I don't have the needed 15 gals of fuel dumped, should I be
concerned
about being 90 lbs over?

Please be nice in your answers. I feel like an idiot even asking
because
I
am concerned and if it wasn't for the fact they are visiting us for
Christmas, I would take one at a time on two separate trips!!! And at
the
same time, I'm not in a hurry to get us hurt (or worse) just in the
name
of
having fun.

Thanks.

Harry

Harry, you got lots of answers and this may be too late, but: If the plane
is full of fuel it will not take that long to drain three, 5 gallon cans of
fuel... It is a high wing and you don't even have to get dirty... Just
remember to clip a ground wire between the can and the plane while the fuel
is draining...

Good question, btw...

Cheers ... Denny
"Harry Gordon"

"Just
remember to clip a ground wire between the can and the plane while the
fuel
is draining...
"

THAT bears repeating.......
over, and over, and over........
Trust me, I know.....
In my case I was filling a gas can and the arc that started the fire jumped
about 3 inches........
I had the presence of mind to put it out but the potential for burning the
gas station to the ground was right there in front of me.

=]8*O

H.
CPA S&MEL IA

"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
...
Harry, you got lots of answers and this may be too late, but: If the
plane
is full of fuel it will not take that long to drain three, 5 gallon cans
of
fuel... It is a high wing and you don't even have to get dirty... Just
remember to clip a ground wire between the can and the plane while the
fuel
is draining...

Good question, btw...

Cheers ... Denny
"Harry Gordon"

My daughter said she would stay behind if I took her on a subsequent
flight - that resolved the W&B problem without having to worry about the
fuel. But then the fog and low clouds came in and we ended up canceling the
flight altogether.

Harry

I dont know what the cause was, but yesterday, a Bonanza took off from North Las
Vegas airport, 4 adults and 2 children on board. It was'nt a V tail bonanza so
I am not sure of the model, but witness said the plane had trouble taking off
and climbing, somewhere after he started his turn right after take off, he nosed
in, all onboard dead.

this is what the news has been reporting about for the last 2 days, again, not
sure if it was overloaded since I dont know anything about bonanzas, but its not
worth the risk in my opinion.


Harry Gordon wrote:

I have a question that I know the legal answer for but am looking for some
alternative suggestions.

Tomorrow, I want to take my daughter and son-in-law on a flight in a C172M.
We will be flying to an airport almost 50 NM from our departure point. The
problem is this: with a full fuel load, we will be 89 pounds over the max
(2300 lbs). The CG is no problem. The only issue is the weight. I don't want
to leave one of them behind, and I certainly don't want to leave myself
behind :-))).

I am hoping that the plane wasn't refilled after it's last flight but I
won't know until I go to the airport to get the plane. Should it be full
and I don't have the needed 15 gals of fuel dumped, should I be concerned
about being 90 lbs over?

Please be nice in your answers. I feel like an idiot even asking because I
am concerned and if it wasn't for the fact they are visiting us for
Christmas, I would take one at a time on two separate trips!!! And at the
same time, I'm not in a hurry to get us hurt (or worse) just in the name of
having fun.

Thanks.

Harry

Jeff Jeff@turboarrow3 wrote:

I dont know what the cause was, but yesterday,
a Bonanza took off from North Las Vegas airport,
4 adults and 2 children on board. [snip]
... again, not sure if it was overloaded since I dont
know anything about bonanzas, but its not worth
the risk in my opinion.

I don't know if it was overloaded or what the cause was either, but I have a
friend who lives near there and said there were severe thunderstorms and winds
near the airport at the time of the crash.

My plane is based out at the north vegas airport, yes we had alot of clouds during
the day, the rains and high winds didnt really start untill around evening here in
the SW part of town where I live. A witness said the wind on the ground was calm
at the time of the accident, but you know how it can be, 100 ft off the ground it
may have been stronger.

During the afternoon, I would have flown, but only on an IFR flight plan due to
the low clouds and rain that you could see out to the west.. According to the news
today, they didnt know his destination or much about them because a flight plan
hadnt been filed.

Shirley wrote:

Jeff Jeff@turboarrow3 wrote:

I dont know what the cause was, but yesterday,
a Bonanza took off from North Las Vegas airport,
4 adults and 2 children on board. [snip]
... again, not sure if it was overloaded since I dont
know anything about bonanzas, but its not worth
the risk in my opinion.

I don't know if it was overloaded or what the cause was either, but I have a
friend who lives near there and said there were severe thunderstorms and winds
near the airport at the time of the crash.

Really? I've never heard of a severe thunderstorm in Las Vegas in December.
Does your friend know what the definition of a severe thunderstorm is?

Mike
MU-2


"Shirley" wrote in message
...
Jeff Jeff@turboarrow3 wrote:

I dont know what the cause was, but yesterday,
a Bonanza took off from North Las Vegas airport,
4 adults and 2 children on board. [snip]
... again, not sure if it was overloaded since I dont
know anything about bonanzas, but its not worth
the risk in my opinion.

I don't know if it was overloaded or what the cause was either, but I have
a
friend who lives near there and said there were severe thunderstorms and
winds
near the airport at the time of the crash.