Downloading flying music?

"Newps" wrote in message
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OK, then look at it from the other end. When the TV police show up and
look thru my tapes and DVD's where do they draw the line?

Well, from a practical point of view, there are no TV police. You can tape
to your heart's content, and no one really cares.

Frankly, I feel that this means the law is screwed up and that it ought to
be rewritten to allow that sort of copying. But that doesn't change the
fact that it is technically illegal.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
Well, from a practical point of view, there are no TV police. You can
tape
to your heart's content, and no one really cares.

And the difference between that and downloading MPS is what, Pete?


Frankly, I feel that this means the law is screwed up and that it ought to
be rewritten to allow that sort of copying. But that doesn't change the
fact that it is technically illegal.

"Technically" my ass. You are so ready to label me a pirate and a thief.
But you do the same thing with VCRs and cable channels and call it
"technically illegal.

Hypocrite . . . Not to mention completely ignorant of the law governing
these matters.

--
Jim Fisher

"Peter Duniho" wrote:

Well, from a practical point of view, there are no TV police.

In the US, maybe. Elsewhere, where there is a tax on television
receivers, there really *is* a TV Police.

Rob

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Newps" wrote in message
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There is nothing illegal about me recording music for my personal use
from the radio. Same goes for TV.

If you save the recording, there is. You have the right to time-shift.
You
do not have the right to archive (which is what's being discussed here).

Are you claiming, then, that it is legal to record what's on the radio or
TV, but it is a crime to fail to erase the recording sometime later?

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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Are you claiming, then, that it is legal to record what's on the radio or
TV, but it is a crime to fail to erase the recording sometime later?

That's my understanding of the situation, yes. I'm only aware of a specific
allowance for the purpose of watching or listening to something at a time
other than when it was broadcast. I'm not aware of any specific allowance
for the purpose of owning a copy of copyrighted material long term.

It should not be all that surprising to anyone that the mass media companies
have set up copyright law this way (and make no mistake, it's the mass media
companies who have control over copyright law in this country). After all,
if you're allowed to tape Terminator when it's shown on the ABC Sunday Night
Movie and keep the copy indefinitely for repeated viewings, that would cut
into the retail market of the same movie. (Or, at least, that's how the
mass media companies' reasoning goes...I don't necessarily agree with that
analysis, but it's the philosophy they take time and time again). If they'd
had their way, you wouldn't even be allowed to time-shift.

I'm not aware of any individual ever having been prosecuted under that
aspect of the law, nor any aspect of copyright law for "small-time" copying
(taping music for friends, copying movies from their cable TV signal, etc.)
but that in no way means that the law doesn't allow that sort of thing.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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If they'd
had their way, you wouldn't even be allowed to time-shift.

Here in the UK, Sky TV put macrovision encoding on their pay-per-view
films. Thus you can't even record them for time shifting. They don't have it
on their "ordinary" film channels to my knowledge.

Paul