which frequencies are all?

Tony Cox wrote:



It seems like a misleading ATIS instruction. I've often heard
"Clearance and Ground combined on xx.xx" but never "all
frequencies".

It was confusing. And when all the freq's are combined they should
always be combined on the approach frequency. We do this every night
after 8 pm and it stays that way until 6:30 am the next day. The ATIS
broadcast will say "All aircraft contact Billings 120.5..."



Arden's question isn't easy to answer anyway. If I were approaching
Monterrey (MTR), class C, approach is handled by a facility in
the tower on the floor below the guys looking out of the window.
If I heard "all frequencies" from MTR, I'd assume it means approach
too.

And if it wasn't I would question the controller right there.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net...
Based on the tower's reply, it appears "all frequencies" means tower, ground
control, and clearance delivery frequencies.

That's what I figured. Would "all frequencies" have the same meaning
at other locations, or is the meaning of "all frequencies"
location-specific? I'd like to make my first call on the appropriate
frequency; when I have passengers (as I did when this happened), it
makes me look stupid (or maybe stupider :-) ), when I call and am told
that I'm on the wrong frequency.

Arden

"Arden Prinz" wrote in message
om...

That's what I figured. Would "all frequencies" have the same meaning
at other locations, or is the meaning of "all frequencies"
location-specific? I'd like to make my first call on the appropriate
frequency; when I have passengers (as I did when this happened), it
makes me look stupid (or maybe stupider :-) ), when I call and am told
that I'm on the wrong frequency.


"All frequencies" is not standard phraseology. In my opinion it shouldn't
be used as it was because it's quite reasonable to make the assumption you
did. Instead, the ATIS should just state that ground, clearance, and tower
are combined on tower frequency.

One controller was running all those positions perhaps?

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"Arden Prinz" wrote in message
om...
I was approaching class C airspace for landing at the primary airport
for which the class C airspace is designated and I listened to the
ATIS. The ATIS said "all frequencies are combined on
TowerFrequency". So I tuned to TowerFrequency and made my radio
call to approach. The response that I got was that I needed to call
approach on the approach frequency. So, I guess that begs the
question ... when the ATIS says "all frequencies are combined", which
frequencies are included in "all frequencies"?

Thank-you in advance.

Recently, Arden Prinz posted:

I was approaching class C airspace for landing at the primary airport
for which the class C airspace is designated and I listened to the
ATIS. The ATIS said "all frequencies are combined on
TowerFrequency". So I tuned to TowerFrequency and made my radio
call to approach. The response that I got was that I needed to call
approach on the approach frequency. So, I guess that begs the
question ... when the ATIS says "all frequencies are combined", which
frequencies are included in "all frequencies"?

I would have presumed it meant exactly as you did. Out of curiosity, what
happened next? Did they give you the approach frequency, change the ATIS,
or did you get the same controller when you changed frequencies?

Neil

"Neil Gould" wrote in message ink.net...
I would have presumed it meant exactly as you did. Out of curiosity, what
happened next? Did they give you the approach frequency, change the ATIS,
or did you get the same controller when you changed frequencies?

Neil

The tower controller gave me the approach frequency (though I knew it
already). I switched to approach. I'm honestly not sure whether it
was the same guy or not ... I think it might been a different person,
but his voice did sound similar. :-)

Arden

Tower, ground, and clearance delivery. ATIS is for the airport you listening
to not approach control

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"Arden Prinz" wrote in message
om...
I was approaching class C airspace for landing at the primary airport
for which the class C airspace is designated and I listened to the
ATIS. The ATIS said "all frequencies are combined on
TowerFrequency". So I tuned to TowerFrequency and made my radio
call to approach. The response that I got was that I needed to call
approach on the approach frequency. So, I guess that begs the
question ... when the ATIS says "all frequencies are combined", which
frequencies are included in "all frequencies"?

Thank-you in advance.

SFM wrote:

Tower, ground, and clearance delivery. ATIS is for the airport you listening
to not approach control

Sorry, no.

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Newps wrote:


SFM wrote:

Tower, ground, and clearance delivery. ATIS is for the airport you listening
to not approach control

Sorry, no.


Actually, yes. Even if Approach was located at the airport in
question, The ATIS is for the AIRPORT, not the Approach into the
airport.

Take KLAS for example. It's a Tower/ATCT (facility where
Approach is located in the same building as Tower), in Class B
airspace. The field is open continuously. After 2am, every night, the
ATIS goes something like:

Info Alpha, 2156Z. Wind wind. vis vis. Sky sky. Temp temp.
Dewpoint dewpoint. Alt altimeter. visual, ILS, etc approaches in
use. Landing runways runways. Departing runways runways. NOTAMS
notams. All services available on freq. Advice on initial contact,
you have information Alpha.

What this means, is that Clearance delivery, Ground, and Tower
are all on freq. This does NOT mean Approach. For the list of the
approach freqs, See AirNav. You should have received a freq to contact,
if you had filed IFR or VFR with flight following (I don't know the
type of plan the OP had filed). If just VFR, then The approach freq
into that area (seeing that it was Class C, the OP should have had)
should have been on hand.

But the ATIS that was originally posted is only for the
AIRPORT, not the approach into the airport. If Approach was combined,
when contacted, the ATC would say "Change to my frequency, xxx.xx".
Approach combines freqs as well, but also still monitor the others
in case someone else does call up.

BL.
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Scott,

There was only one airport involved, it was the one to which I was
flying, and it was the approach control for that airport. There are
no other airports in the area. If the ATIS doesn't pertain to
approach, then it seems odd that approach always wants to know that
you've listened to it before calling approach.

Arden

"SFM" wrote in message ...
Tower, ground, and clearance delivery. ATIS is for the airport you listening
to not approach control

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