Pilot's Political Orientation

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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I suspect the results would have been more illuminating had
they included the Libertarians and Greens as options.


How so? They'd both be included in the 19.79% that voted independent.



Wrong, I'd bet the majority og the 19.79% voted either Dem or Republican
in
the last election.

Most people who claim to be independents --- aren't.

Chicken Bone wrote:
Flightinfo.com asked for pilots political orientation.

Weak troll, it's not hard to get this group riled up over politics.

What difference does political affiliation make anyway? People can still
have decent qualities despite being republicans.

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In rec.aviation.owning Chicken Bone wrote:
Flightinfo.com asked for pilots political orientation.

Results:

Democrat 22.97%
Republican 57.24%
Ind. 19.79%

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthr...threadid=21699


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Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke

If you are under thirty and aren't a Democrat, you have no heart.

If you are over thirty and aren't a Republican, you have no brain.

Or so I've been told...

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Jim Pennino

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If you are under thirty and aren't a Democrat, you have no heart.

If you are over thirty and aren't a Republican, you have no brain.

Or so I've been told...

Actually, it's another from Winston Churchill (who as I remember
changed political party himself, probably at age 30).

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man
who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."

Churchill was a smart man, but I don't agree with him on this one. The
point seems to be that one's personal needs become more important than
the needs of the group after a certain age. I don't believe liberals
are that brainless, nor conservatives that heartless.

While it may happen to many people, for me it is nonsense. I am far
more liberal---and sure of myself in choosing so---since I turned 30.

Frankly since I began acquiring things like houses and airplanes, I have
realized how important these things are and how short life is. I have
realized that there is nothing magic about me that makes me deserve
these things more than other people.

I would rephrase it to say that anyone who is over 30 and is still a
liberal has done some important thinking about their rights and
responsibilities. Same goes for conservatives, I just don't agree with
the conclusions they came to. Que sera sera.


Actually, it's another from Winston Churchill (who as I remember
changed political party himself, probably at age 30).

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man
who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."

Why is it that Liberals always feel guilty for what they have? And even
more worrisome is why do Liberals feel guilty for what OTHERS have
and want to take it away from them and give it to someone who hasn't
managed to earn and have much.

There was a time when I didn't have anything. I worked hard and now
I have things. I want to keep them. They're mine. I don't want Liberals to
play
Robin Hood with my stuff and give it to those not inclined to get their
own stuff.

Liberal govt has no legal right to take stuff from one group and give it
to another. They have a right to take from us enough to operate govt and
provide for our physical security. That's it. No Robin Hood stuff.

They know that at some point we will have had enough and their **** will
be in the wind. THAT is why they don't want us to have guns. We will
use them to defend our stuff. Now THAT scares them Liberals.

The very guiltless and Libertarian Otis W.

"Musky" wrote in message
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Churchill was a smart man, but I don't agree with him on this one. The
point seems to be that one's personal needs become more important than
the needs of the group after a certain age. I don't believe liberals
are that brainless, nor conservatives that heartless.

While it may happen to many people, for me it is nonsense. I am far
more liberal---and sure of myself in choosing so---since I turned 30.

Frankly since I began acquiring things like houses and airplanes, I have
realized how important these things are and how short life is. I have
realized that there is nothing magic about me that makes me deserve
these things more than other people.

I would rephrase it to say that anyone who is over 30 and is still a
liberal has done some important thinking about their rights and
responsibilities. Same goes for conservatives, I just don't agree with
the conclusions they came to. Que sera sera.


Actually, it's another from Winston Churchill (who as I remember
changed political party himself, probably at age 30).

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any
man
who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."

I learned a long time ago not to open my mouth on usenet, you'd think I
would have remembered. In the interest of bandwidth I at least removed
..ifr and .owning from this conversation.

Otis Winslow wrote:
Why is it that Liberals always feel guilty for what they have? And even
more worrisome is why do Liberals feel guilty for what OTHERS have
and want to take it away from them and give it to someone who hasn't
managed to earn and have much.

If you read my message carefully you will not find that I "always feel
guilty", nor that I want to take anything away from anyone.

In true usenet style I suppose I should counter with "why do
Conservatives always spout off like arrogant pricks about how much they
have and how much they deserve it?" But that is impossible, since I
know and respect many conservative-minded people who DON'T feel or act
that way. I'm not complaining about what I have, but I'm also not
claiming that I have singular right to it.

Maybe I should put it this way, and then shut up and let the spouters
have their fling. Rant on, flame away, I'm going away after this.

When I voted against Reagan in 84, I ended up with a record-breaking
deficit, guaranteeing higher taxes in the future. There were also cuts
in my extended family's health care and social services, and a vast
outpouring of mentally ill homeless people onto the streets. Curiously,
that same extended family continue to vote Republican, though they are
hard pressed to explain why.

When I voted against the older Bush in 88, I ended up with even more
deficit spending, my friends going to war and dying over the rights to
cheap oil even though pump prices hit all-time highs, and drug and
weapons dealing in the absolute upper echelon of the government that I
pay for. Was anyone impeached? Hell, hands were not even slapped.

When I voted for Clinton, I ended up with eight years of slightly higher
taxes, a COMPLETE turnaround of deficit spending culminating in a record
*surplus*. It helped that business and real estate were both booming
at the time, but it also helped that he managed the boom wisely and
hired good people to give him advice. I saw my taxes climb 3%. I was
willing to spend that kind of money for what I, my family and friends,
and my country got for it.

Now that the younger Bush is in office, more of my friends are overseas,
and though fewer are dying, more are being forced to work in dangerous
conditions (like asbestos removal) without adequate safety equipment,
more are having their tours extended unreasonably. Taxes are lower for
those making six figures or better, but for those in lower brackets
conditions are worse than ever---taxes unchanged, services cut.

Bush is a bumbling idiot. Most if not all of my conservative friends
are voting for Kerry just to get the guy out of office. He has made
life in this country difficult unilaterally, and the ultra-partisan
congress has not helped.

Robin Hood with my stuff and give it to those not inclined to get their
own stuff.

For what it's worth, I worked hard for my things as well, from a poor
midwest farm family to a manager in a high-tech company. But I'm not
fooling myself with someone else's scare tactics. No one is trying to
give my stuff to someone else, or yours either.

Social services are not for weak idiots, they are for people with less.
It's called charity, and it is supposedly a Christian ideal.

More flame bait:

Has anyone else noticed that the majority of conservatives tend to be
Christian, yet the conservative ideal is completely ANTI-Christian?

Liberal govt has no legal right to take stuff from one group and give it
to another. They have a right to take from us enough to operate govt and
provide for our physical security. That's it. No Robin Hood stuff.

Government has no right to *take* anything. Don't forget that we have
hired them to run our large organization. They are not an evil entity
that we must appease, they are our EMPLOYEES, and it is our
responsibility to keep an eye on them.

The republican administrations over the past twenty years have taken far
more out of our pockets and away from our families---in form of our kids
going off to war to feed their special interests. If you are worried
about someone playing Robin Hood, look deeper than what you see on
TV---the current administration is stealing you BLIND. They are ****ing
down your back and telling you it is raining.

They know that at some point we will have had enough and their **** will
be in the wind. THAT is why they don't want us to have guns. We will
use them to defend our stuff. Now THAT scares them Liberals.

HAHAHHAA.. okay, now I'm off my soapbox. It's tough to argue with that
kind of one-toothed logic.

Musky
pro stuff, pro defensive military, ANTI aggressive military and
ANTI right-wing conservative scare-tactic bull****

"Otis Winslow" wrote in message
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Why is it that Liberals always feel guilty for what they have? And even
more worrisome is why do Liberals feel guilty for what OTHERS have
and want to take it away from them and give it to someone who hasn't
managed to earn and have much.

There was a time when I didn't have anything. I worked hard and now
I have things. I want to keep them. They're mine. I don't want Liberals to
play
Robin Hood with my stuff and give it to those not inclined to get their
own stuff.

Liberal govt has no legal right to take stuff from one group and give it
to another. They have a right to take from us enough to operate govt and
provide for our physical security. That's it. No Robin Hood stuff.

They know that at some point we will have had enough and their **** will
be in the wind. THAT is why they don't want us to have guns. We will
use them to defend our stuff. Now THAT scares them Liberals.

The very guiltless and Libertarian Otis W.

Didja ever notice how liberals are more than willing to take other peoples
assets and redistribute them but are more than willing to keep their assets
to themselves.

I don't feel guilty. I feel fortunate. And I look at the whole
picture. I've worked hard to get a degree, develop a career, and have a
comfortable lifestyle (that fortunately includes a plane). However, I
also recognize that, due to the fact I grew up in a poor family in a
poor town, you all paid for half my college education. (I paid the
other half.) Thank you! That "Robin hood Government" you speak of took
a small piece of your hard earned money and invested it in me. Guess
what? I paid more in taxes last year than I received in 4 years of
financial aid. Sounds like a good investment to me. What did you get
for your money? A very productive member of society who recognizes
that, thanks to a government that believes that an educated populous is
critical, I am able to visit a doctor when I need one. And get a
plumber when I need one. DO you think that the oft-touted "Free Market
Economy" will generate all of the necessary services we all need and
use? Not likely. Only the ones that are profitable. Think of that the
next time you visit a government educated doctor. Or the next time you
kid goes to a government funded school. Or the factory in your town is
kept from dumping toxic waste in your backyard because a government
funded EPA official keeps them from doing it. I realize that there is
certainly waste in government, but let's keep the whole picture in mind.


Otis Winslow wrote:
Why is it that Liberals always feel guilty for what they have? And even
more worrisome is why do Liberals feel guilty for what OTHERS have
and want to take it away from them and give it to someone who hasn't
managed to earn and have much.

There was a time when I didn't have anything. I worked hard and now
I have things. I want to keep them. They're mine. I don't want Liberals to
play
Robin Hood with my stuff and give it to those not inclined to get their
own stuff.

Liberal govt has no legal right to take stuff from one group and give it
to another. They have a right to take from us enough to operate govt and
provide for our physical security. That's it. No Robin Hood stuff.

They know that at some point we will have had enough and their **** will
be in the wind. THAT is why they don't want us to have guns. We will
use them to defend our stuff. Now THAT scares them Liberals.

The very guiltless and Libertarian Otis W.

"Musky" wrote in message
...

Churchill was a smart man, but I don't agree with him on this one. The
point seems to be that one's personal needs become more important than
the needs of the group after a certain age. I don't believe liberals
are that brainless, nor conservatives that heartless.

While it may happen to many people, for me it is nonsense. I am far
more liberal---and sure of myself in choosing so---since I turned 30.

Frankly since I began acquiring things like houses and airplanes, I have
realized how important these things are and how short life is. I have
realized that there is nothing magic about me that makes me deserve
these things more than other people.

I would rephrase it to say that anyone who is over 30 and is still a
liberal has done some important thinking about their rights and
responsibilities. Same goes for conservatives, I just don't agree with
the conclusions they came to. Que sera sera.



Actually, it's another from Winston Churchill (who as I remember
changed political party himself, probably at age 30).

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any

man

who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."







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Actually, it's another from Winston Churchill (who as I remember
changed political party himself, probably at age 30).

Actually, it's probably not. This from the authoritative Churchill Centre
website http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/...fm?pageid=112:

"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a
conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain." There is no record
of anyone hearing Churchill say this. Paul Addison of Edinburgh University
makes this comment: "Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed
to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35! And would he
have talked so disrespectfully of [his wife] Clemmie, who is generally
thought to have been a lifelong Liberal?"

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-Elliott Drucker