pan pan pan

On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:13:52 -0400, Natalie wrote:

That can't be true about MAY DAY. That would be horrible French, and it
doesn't make much sense at all. Aidez-moi (or aides-moi) would be "Help me."

M'aidez is the usual rendering.

I assume it's good or at least acceptable French, because I find this
in a French-language site: "pouvez vous m'aidez SVP??". ("Can you
help me, please?")


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Cub Driver wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:13:52 -0400, Natalie wrote:

M'aidez is the usual rendering.

I assume it's good or at least acceptable French, because I find this
in a French-language site: "pouvez vous m'aidez SVP??". ("Can you
help me, please?")

As a matter of fact, in that sentence the infinitive of the main verb would
be called for again: "Pouvez vous m'aider?" :-)


Greetings,
Markus

Cub Driver wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:13:52 -0400, Natalie wrote:

That can't be true about MAY DAY. That would be horrible French, and it
doesn't make much sense at all. Aidez-moi (or aides-moi) would be "Help me."

M'aidez is the usual rendering.

I assume it's good or at least acceptable French, because I find this
in a French-language site: "pouvez vous m'aidez SVP??". ("Can you
help me, please?")

That is certainly a correct statement as a whole, but that does not mean just "help
me!", which would be an imperative form, or "aidez-moi" in french.

Cub Driver wrote:

Has anyone here ever used the emergency call PAN PAN PAN in an
aircraft?


For what it's worth, the proper call is "pan-pan pan-pan pan-pan",
similar to "mayday mayday mayday".

Never heard it, but I would use it if I had serious problems and needed
attention on a busy frequency.

-Scott

For what it's worth, the proper call is "pan-pan pan-pan pan-pan",
similar to "mayday mayday mayday".

Also FWIW, it's pronounced 'Parn'

For what it's worth, the proper call is "pan-pan pan-pan pan-pan",
similar to "mayday mayday mayday".

Also FWIW, it's pronounced 'Parn'

I don't pronounce it PAM, nor do I double it up. I say PON PON PON.
All sailors do, in my experience, including French sailors.

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Cub Driver wrote:


Has anyone here ever used the emergency call PAN PAN PAN in an
aircraft?

I did when I had a valve stick at 800' AGL.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
Has anyone here ever used the emergency call PAN PAN PAN in an
aircraft?

I remember that Swissair Flight 111 that crashed off Halifax in 1998
(?) used it. Looking up the details, it went something like this:

10:14PM - "Swissair 111 heavy is declaring Pan Pan Pan. We have smoke
in the cockpit, request deviate immediate right turn to a convenient
place. I guess Boston,"

10:24PM - "We are declaring an Emergency.... We have to land
immediately."

10:30PM - crashes into the water

They were only ten minutes from landing, but had spent much more time
than that dumping fuel as per the book.

Kev

On 9 Jun 2004 10:20:59 -0700, (Kevin Darling)
wrote:

10:14PM - "Swissair 111 heavy is declaring Pan Pan Pan. We have smoke
in the cockpit,

Thanks! That's just the sort of reference I was looking for.

Interesting that later he said "declaring an emergency."

I suppose the whole concept of emergency calls has pretty much faded
out, with the advance in radio communications. It is as easy to say
(and understand) "crossing the runway" as "securite, securite". Or
"I'm declaring an emergency" as pan-pan-pan.

And the pilot says "declaring Pan..." The whole object of the
emergency calls was to avoid having to use those extra words.

"Mayday" by contrast still serves a real purpose: it tells everyone
else on the freq to shut up.


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Cub Driver wrote:

Interesting that later he said "declaring an emergency."
....
And the pilot says "declaring Pan..." The whole object of the
emergency calls was to avoid having to use those extra words.

No. One half of the object was to get immediate attention. "Mayday" and
"pan pan" are wakeup calls for distracted radio operators. If a pilot
already has the ATS controller's attention, it has become common
practice to "declare an emergency" instead of using the term Mayday. Not
standard compliant, but accepted.

"Mayday" by contrast still serves a real purpose: it tells everyone
else on the freq to shut up.

As does pan pan (the other half of the object). Pan calls have priority
over all other traffic except distress calls.

Stefan