Stiffed on Ebay

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
As a buyer, I want cancellation privilege not only before the sale, but
AFTER the sale as well. If I'm thinking of buying something I don't need
anyone telling me I can't change my mind, even up to the point of sale.
Even AFTER buying something, if I have a problem with it, I want the
option to return it to where I bought it for full credit.

Then go to Wal-Mart and stay the heck away from Ebay you big silly!

I've bought and sold much computer stuff and only occasionally get a raw
deal and have never once dished out a raw deal. Overall it's a great deal
for the buyer and seller.

But make no mistake, it's not Wal-Mart. EBay is simply an electronic flea
market.

Caveat emptor.

--
Jim Fisher

"Jim Fisher" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
As a buyer, I want cancellation privilege not only before the sale,
but
AFTER the sale as well. If I'm thinking of buying something I don't
need
anyone telling me I can't change my mind, even up to the point of
sale.
Even AFTER buying something, if I have a problem with it, I want the
option to return it to where I bought it for full credit.

Then go to Wal-Mart and stay the heck away from Ebay you big silly!

I've bought and sold much computer stuff and only occasionally get a
raw
deal and have never once dished out a raw deal. Overall it's a great
deal
for the buyer and seller.

But make no mistake, it's not Wal-Mart. EBay is simply an electronic
flea
market.

Why do you think my personal business preferences seem to indicate some
degree of naïveté about Ebay that needs "corrective" under posting? I
understand Ebay quite well. I just prefer not doing business in this
manner. You sound like people who don't prefer Ebay need a Jim Fisher
education. I'll throw a smiley thing on this for you anyway
Jim......how's that? :-)
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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Because you started by saying

"I must be missing something about the "advantages" of using Ebay, based
on it's tremendous popularity, but it just doesn't make any sense to me."

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Why do you think my personal business preferences seem to indicate some
degree of naïveté about Ebay that needs "corrective" under posting? I
understand Ebay quite well.

Well, you could take it that way of course. You could also take it as an
understanding so great about Ebay and how it works that it's a complete
puzzlement as to why people would want to use it.
Actually, my statement was meant to convey something somewhere in
between :-) I understand Ebay, and I understand why people use it. It's
just that it's not my personal style, No biggie really, just some
reflective comment. :-)
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
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"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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Because you started by saying

"I must be missing something about the "advantages" of using Ebay,
based
on it's tremendous popularity, but it just doesn't make any sense to
me."

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Why do you think my personal business preferences seem to indicate
some
degree of naïveté about Ebay that needs "corrective" under posting?
I
understand Ebay quite well.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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I must be missing something about the "advantages" of using Ebay, based
on it's tremendous popularity, but it just doesn't make any sense to me.

The advantage is a large marketplace, therefore higher probability of
sellers getting the best price and buyers finding what they seek

As a buyer, I want cancellation privilege not only before the sale, but
AFTER the sale as well. If I'm thinking of buying something I don't need
anyone telling me I can't change my mind, even up to the point of sale.
Even AFTER buying something, if I have a problem with it, I want the
option to return it to where I bought it for full credit. I've been
buying this way for many years and have never had a problem.
Suppose this guy who won the bid on the transponder suffered a problem
that prevented his going through with the purchase.....hell, it could be
anything? On EBay, he doesn't have the option to cancel? Hell, that's no
way to buy something....at least as far as I'm concerned anyway. I've
obviously never used Ebay and never will. I guess it's ok for some, but
it's definitely NOT my cup of tea :-)

Well you just have to bid accordingly. Sometimes you can get something
cheap, sometimes a used item with no warrantee and no return priviledge goes
for more than that item new with all priviledges.

I've bought stuff I needed there and done quite well, but there is cost in
my time. Sometimes it takes losing several items before winning one.

Also, some sellers (usually businesses) will extend their full return
policies to Ebay sales. Murphy Surplus in California allowed a 30 day
return for example. But it is not fair to stiff sellers for auction fees if
you change your mind.

Know the rules of the game there and play them to your advantage if you
want. Personally I still think it is a mixed bag, but just try dealing with
Government Liquidation and you will think Ebay is fantastic.

Ebay is not for buying stuff that you can buy at your local store. It is
for buying and selling hard to find items. It works great. As you
described, it is really a middle man and it puts the buyer and seller in
contact. If you don't like the idea of a middle man, I suppose you must
also not like newpapers and ads etc.. I have sold quite a few items on
ebay. I have also bought some pretty expensive items. I bought a $75k
piece of test equipment for $6k. Another $50k equipment for $4k. All were
used and solds as is with no warranty. For me, the risk was worth taking.
It may not be so for everyone. If you want return and refund priviledges,
then you have to pay full price through a regular merchant.




"Dudley Henriques" wrote in news:1gFCc.25136
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I've only sold two items on Ebay (I've bought a lot, though), so I'm
really
surprised (and saddened) to report that I've run into an avionics
buyer who
simply won't pay for the item he won.

I listed our old Narco AT 50 transponder (which, BTW, we replaced with
a
Garmin GTX-327 -- a truly great unit), and my winner bid $285 for it.

That was over three weeks ago, and when pressed about the status of
his
payment, the guy only responded with one sentence emails promising to
"look
into it."

I finally gave him a 24 hour deadline, which he missed, and have
re-listed
the transponder for sale.

This is a first for me -- all of my other transactions have been easy
and
painless.

Have I just been lucky? Anyone else run into this on Ebay?

I must be missing something about the "advantages" of using Ebay, based
on it's tremendous popularity, but it just doesn't make any sense to
me.
The entire thing is set up so that the middle man (Ebay) can make money
on a transaction. That's all well and good, for Ebay, and I'm sure this
procedure attracts a whole bunch of people based on Ebay's financial
position, but I just don't get the attraction.
As a buyer, I want cancellation privilege not only before the sale, but
AFTER the sale as well. If I'm thinking of buying something I don't
need
anyone telling me I can't change my mind, even up to the point of sale.
Even AFTER buying something, if I have a problem with it, I want the
option to return it to where I bought it for full credit. I've been
buying this way for many years and have never had a problem.
Suppose this guy who won the bid on the transponder suffered a problem
that prevented his going through with the purchase.....hell, it could
be
anything? On EBay, he doesn't have the option to cancel? Hell, that's
no
way to buy something....at least as far as I'm concerned anyway. I've
obviously never used Ebay and never will. I guess it's ok for some, but
it's definitely NOT my cup of tea :-)
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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If you want return and refund priviledges,
then you have to pay full price through a regular merchant.

Not necessarily true ....at least not in my case anyway. I seldom buy
retail. In fact, with my business contacts I usually buy at the lowest
wholesale levels on most everything......but that's just me.
It is true however, that people not favoring a transaction like that
found on Ebay should be prepared and willing to pay any additional cost
involved to insure return and refund privilege.
It's a matter of perspective and business preference, not a matter of
"if you don't use Ebay...you need to be educated"
There are those in this world who will take a 75 grand risk to buy a
piece of equipment on Ebay. There are also those in this world who are
capable of working a VERY nice deal on the same piece of equipment
through normal channels and at 0 risk. It's all in how you play the
game. :-)
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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The entire thing is set up so that the middle man (Ebay) can make money
on a transaction.

Now, that's not really so terrible, is it? eBay flourishes because it
provides a service that people want, both the sellers and the buyers,
and they are willing to give up a part of their transaction in
exchange for that service. Willing buyer, willing seller. That's what
capitalism is all about.

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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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The entire thing is set up so that the middle man (Ebay) can make
money
on a transaction.

Now, that's not really so terrible, is it? eBay flourishes because it
provides a service that people want, both the sellers and the buyers,
and they are willing to give up a part of their transaction in
exchange for that service. Willing buyer, willing seller. That's what
capitalism is all about.

I have no problem with Ebay being a middle man. I just don't need this
particular middleman when I do business. If Ebay is your thing, by all
means use it. I simply prefer to take my capitalism elsewhere, and have
found avoiding Ebay more in line with my business practices. I don't
believe this has anything at all to do with one's understanding of
capitalism.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I've only sold two items on Ebay (I've bought a lot, though), so I'm
really
surprised (and saddened) to report that I've run into an avionics buyer
who
simply won't pay for the item he won.

I listed our old Narco AT 50 transponder (which, BTW, we replaced with a
Garmin GTX-327 -- a truly great unit), and my winner bid $285 for it.

That was over three weeks ago, and when pressed about the status of his
payment, the guy only responded with one sentence emails promising to
"look
into it."

I finally gave him a 24 hour deadline, which he missed, and have re-listed
the transponder for sale.


Was he the only bidder? If not, did you try the second chance option for
the next highest bidder?