"Proceed on Course" = "Right turn approved"?

"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
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Agreed, but you may not cross an extension of the departure runway
centerline till outside the "D" or with clearance. This happens a lot
here, for some reason. The tower has a fit, and rightfully so.


How would you be in a position to cross the extended centerline of the
runway you just departed?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

How would you be in a position to cross the extended centerline of the
runway you just departed?

If you depart from a runway, or helo pad, etc., other than the
"Departure" runway.


--
Jack

"Cave ab homine unius libri"

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:04:23 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
.. .

Agreed, but you may not cross an extension of the departure runway
centerline till outside the "D" or with clearance. This happens a lot
here, for some reason. The tower has a fit, and rightfully so.


How would you be in a position to cross the extended centerline of the
runway you just departed?

When issued a downwind departure and your desired course is on the
other side of the extended centerline. Yes, I know you should have
been issued a downwind that put you ohn the correct side, but it
doesn't always happen.

"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
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When issued a downwind departure and your desired course is on the
other side of the extended centerline. Yes, I know you should have
been issued a downwind that put you ohn the correct side, but it
doesn't always happen.


That doesn't follow the situation we are discussing. Recall that it was
stated; "At a towered airport you turn whatever direction you want, unless
otherwise instructed."

You responded; "Agreed, but you may not cross an extension of the departure
runway centerline till outside the "D" or with clearance. This happens a
lot
here, for some reason. The tower has a fit, and rightfully so."

Now the situation is not one where you turn whatever direction you want, the
tower has issued a turn away from your direction of flight. But no matter,
at whatever point you are issued "proceed on course", it means from your
present position turn in the shortest direction toward your desired
destination. Even if it does cross an extension of the departure runway
centerline well inside the "D".

Bill Zaleski wrote:

Agreed, but you may not cross an extension of the departure runway
centerline till outside the "D" or with clearance. This happens a lot
here, for some reason. The tower has a fit, and rightfully so.

Eh? At CDW, we often have departures from 27 and both arrivals and
departures on 22. Closed traffic uses 22 at these times, of course.

However, 22 being right-traffic, anyone in the pattern for 22 (and this
includes arrivals entering the downwind at midfield due to the layout of
the airport) is crossing 27's extended centerline.

- Andrew

"Newps" wrote in message
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Bob Chilcoat wrote:
I took of from Reading, PA this morning from RW 31 with an on-course
heading
of 105. As I was cleared for takeoff, I was told "Cleared for takeoff,
proceed on course". In the past, they've also added "Right turn
approved".
This time they didn't. I was concerned that I hadn't been cleared for a
right turn, and a right turn would have gotten me on course sooner. I
then
said "Request right turn to on course" but the controller seemed a bit
irritated and just added "On course approved". Did I have permission
for a
right turn in the pattern or not?


At a towered airport you turn whatever direction you want, unless
otherwise instructed.

After clearing first, with something like "request southeast departure"?

Tom Sixkiller wrote:



At a towered airport you turn whatever direction you want, unless
otherwise instructed.


After clearing first, with something like "request southeast departure"?

Don't need that either. If tower has traffic for you he will tell you.

"Newps" wrote in message
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At a towered airport you turn whatever direction you want, unless
otherwise instructed.


At a towered airport you make left turns while approaching to land, unless
instructed otherwise.

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:01:10 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

At a towered airport you make left turns while approaching to land, unless
instructed otherwise.

But the question was about a departure, not approach. Does this rule
apply during departure?

Corky Scott

"Bob Chilcoat" wrote in
:

I took of from Reading, PA this morning from RW 31 with an on-course
heading of 105. As I was cleared for takeoff, I was told "Cleared for
takeoff, proceed on course". In the past, they've also added "Right
turn approved". This time they didn't. I was concerned that I hadn't
been cleared for a right turn, and a right turn would have gotten me
on course sooner. I then said "Request right turn to on course" but
the controller seemed a bit irritated and just added "On course
approved". Did I have permission for a right turn in the pattern or
not?

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

I don't have to like Bush and Cheney (Or Kerry, for that matter) to
love America



On course is whatever course you need to turn to in order to get to your
destination. If you need to turn right to get on course, then yes, it is
approved.