Run-in with Chicago Center

under that cloud layer. Besides, there are some very, very tall
towers out there; that Cherokee of yours may be a boxy, funny-looking
little airplane, but it would look a heck of a lot worse hanging from
a guy wire on one of those 1,500 foot towers that live out in the
flatlands.

As an aside, my personal minimum of 2000 feet for "flatland cross-country
flight" USED to be 3000 feet.

The main change? The AvMap. It displays towers so clearly on that big
color screen, that you'd have to be a complete dunce to hit one.

That's what I mean when I say that the AvMap has changed the way we fly.

Not many people
understand that God intended football to be played outside, in the
cold, sleet and snow, so the Packers are God's elite.

Yeah, they are a special team, and going to Lambeau was a real treat. That
place is just ROCKING with enthusiasm and adoration for "their" team, and
there simply is not a bad seat in the house. I've been a fan since I was a
kid in West Bend, WI, back in the "Glory Years" of the 1960s, so to be where
Bart Starr and Ray Nitchke played was almost religious.

Best of all, unlike a soccer game, there's no animosity of any kind --
everyone is there for a good time, not to beat the crap out of the opposing
fans.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

The main change? The AvMap. It displays towers so clearly on that big
color screen, that you'd have to be a complete dunce to hit one.

Until these databases are and stay perfect...

- Andrew

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
online.com...
Jay Honeck wrote:

The main change? The AvMap. It displays towers so clearly on that big
color screen, that you'd have to be a complete dunce to hit one.

Until these databases are and stay perfect...

I'll second that. I noticed while flying in Atlanta a few weeks ago that the
GPS (KLN 89B w/moving map) in the plane I rented did not display the Class D
around Dobbins AFB correctly. My sectional showed the SE cutout extension
which I presume is there for ILS approaches, but the moving map did not
display it at all. And the database was current! Guess it might be a
limitation of the software, but I'm leaning toward the "data being
innacurate" explanation.

--
Guy Elden Jr.

Jay,

Dream On! if you think you can rely on AvMap to have all the current
obstacles.

I have a great story about Clyde Wells hitting the wires that weren't there
yesterday.

You are getting desperate in your justification of not getting the other 75%
of your training.


Karl


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:TSKUc.320508$JR4.111734@attbi_s54...
under that cloud layer. Besides, there are some very, very tall
towers out there; that Cherokee of yours may be a boxy, funny-looking
little airplane, but it would look a heck of a lot worse hanging from
a guy wire on one of those 1,500 foot towers that live out in the
flatlands.

As an aside, my personal minimum of 2000 feet for "flatland cross-country
flight" USED to be 3000 feet.

The main change? The AvMap. It displays towers so clearly on that big
color screen, that you'd have to be a complete dunce to hit one.

That's what I mean when I say that the AvMap has changed the way we fly.

In article TSKUc.320508$JR4.111734@attbi_s54, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

The main change? The AvMap. It displays towers so clearly on that big
color screen, that you'd have to be a complete dunce to hit one.

Getting vertical obstructions into databases is a huge huge problem.
Please don't assume that AvMap has them all.

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

Bob Noel wrote:
In article TSKUc.320508$JR4.111734@attbi_s54, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:


The main change? The AvMap. It displays towers so clearly on that big
color screen, that you'd have to be a complete dunce to hit one.


Getting vertical obstructions into databases is a huge huge problem.
Please don't assume that AvMap has them all.

Why is it a huge problem. At worst the FAA database can be used.

In article BbRUc.42104$TI1.17388@attbi_s52, "William W. Plummer"
wrote:

Getting vertical obstructions into databases is a huge huge problem.
Please don't assume that AvMap has them all.

Why is it a huge problem. At worst the FAA database can be used.

Because vertical obstructions change over time, not all towers
or other obstructions are reported, and who is going to verify
the accuracy of the reported location and height?

(btw - the FAA database would come from NIMA - or whatever they
are called now).

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

Rick...

ROFLMAO. Nicely done.

Jim


(Rick Durden)
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

-Jay,
-
- First of all, what the devil were you doing going to a football game,
-especially in Green Bay, in August?



Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

On 18 Aug 2004 06:40:55 -0700, (Rick Durden)
wrote:

Jeez, it used to be that there would be three or four broken
bones per game, with a couple of fatalities each season. Now that the
game is played by limp wrists, wearing all sorts of pads, in warm
weather, the only fatalities are generally from heat stroke and I'd be
surprised if there are a dozen broken bones in all the NFL games in a
season.

Football is still played like this, it's just called Rugby.

Corky Scott

Corky Scott wrote:
Football is still played like this, it's just called Rugby.

"In rugby, there are no winners or losers, only survivors."