Female pilot accident rates

(NoPoliticsHere) wrote in message . com...
I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just
maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there
are ladies in the cockpit. Maybe this is not the case, and I'm sure
the more PC gents here will be quick to jump on me for even suggesting
it, but during the past, I have noticed more than a few female names
mentioned in news reports about aircraft crashes (with them being one
of the pilots, or the only pilot). Just how many female professional
pilots are there? Aren't they involved in a disproportionately large
number of accidents? Drawing from memory, here are a few:


At one point female Navy jet flighter pilots had a much higher
accident rate than men. However, the Navy was quickly trying to
address a mandate from congress that they have a certain number of
women flying. Since there were fewer women applying, they selected
women that would not otherwise have qualified. They also pushed them
through faster with less training. The results were obvious. Much of
this came out after video come out showing a female pilot crashing
into the sea, missing the carrier as the LSO yelled "power, power,
power". Her parents asked for a congressional investigation and even
asked the navy to go down and retrieve the plane out of the ocean
(which they did). The result was almost 1/2 dozen different opinions
on the accident.

-Robert

At one point female Navy jet flighter pilots had a much higher
accident rate than men. However, the Navy was quickly trying to
address a mandate from congress that they have a certain number of
women flying. Since there were fewer women applying, they selected
women that would not otherwise have qualified. They also pushed them
through faster with less training. The results were obvious. Much of
this came out after video come out showing a female pilot crashing
into the sea, missing the carrier as the LSO yelled "power, power,
power". Her parents asked for a congressional investigation and even
asked the navy to go down and retrieve the plane out of the ocean
(which they did). The result was almost 1/2 dozen different opinions
on the accident.

Robert:

This is the "MIR" for the famous Kara Hultgreen crash during a landing
attempt at USS Abraham Lincoln on October 25th, 1994.

http://www.panix.com/~baldwin/hultgreen_mir.txt

Left engine stalled on final to the boat:

"(AL) (P) As MA crossed ship's wake, MR noted MA five kts fast. During
post-mishap recollection MR recalled hearing an almost imperceptible
``pop'',
described as ``popcorn stall''type of sound. (3b)
(AM) (P) MA flew WUOSX, 42 to 45 DEG AOB. (13a, 17a, 4b, 5b)
(AN) (P) CLSO and BLSO observed excessive left YAW on MA; attributed to
perceived use of rudder to avoid overshoot. (4b, 5b) (AO) (P) MA rolled out
wings level at start, on speed, 325 feet agl, with 400 FPM rod and on
glideslope. (3b)
(AP) (P) MR scanned centered ball, then noticed MA five knots slow; looked
outside again, then noticed MA ten knots slow. (3b)
(AQ) (P) MR advised mp ``we're ten kts slow, let's get some power on the
jet.'' MP did not verbally acknowledge, but MP added power. (3b) (AR) (P)
MR
states aircraft started to YAW left. (3b)
(AS) (P) MA waved off by BLSO for WUOSX with left YAW. ``Waveoff'' was
echoed by CLSO cutting out BLSO's ``level your wings and climb.'' BLSO
subsequently transmitted ``power, raise your gear, raise your gear, power.''
``burner'' call was not used by LSO. ``Burner'' is a standard imperative
LSO
phrase. (17a, 4b, 5b)
(AT) (P) AB plume was visible from MA right engine only. (9b, 13b)"

Read "11. analysis." for conclusions

"CZ" wrote in message . com...

This is the "MIR" for the famous Kara Hultgreen crash during a landing
attempt at USS Abraham Lincoln on October 25th, 1994.

http://www.panix.com/~baldwin/hultgreen_mir.txt

Thanks, I read the whole thing before posting to the thread.
I skipped some of the formalities, but I think it's clear what
led to the crash. How many female F-14 pilots are there?

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(NoPoliticsHere) writes:
"CZ" wrote in message . com...

This is the "MIR" for the famous Kara Hultgreen crash during a landing
attempt at USS Abraham Lincoln on October 25th, 1994.

http://www.panix.com/~baldwin/hultgreen_mir.txt

Thanks, I read the whole thing before posting to the thread.
I skipped some of the formalities, but I think it's clear what
led to the crash. How many female F-14 pilots are there?

"I skipped the formalities" = "I couldn't understand it on the best
day I ever had."
Here's what it said:
The stuck bleed valve on the left engine turned what would have
been a fairly minor correction into a compete loss of thrust from that
engine at a critical time. When you add in the lack of information
and training (As in it wasn't in the NATOPS (Dash-One, Pilot's
Operating Handbook), nor was it taught at the F-14 RTU) about flying
around the boat single-engine. That's a pretty finicky place in a
TF30 powered F-14. If the pilot had been trained to recognize what
was going on, and take the proper corrective action, the crash migh
not have occurred. The sex of the pilot makes no difference.

Note the Recommendations - Section 13.
The first two recommendations are immediate inspection of all bleed
air valves in the fleet, and replacement of the bleed valves with a
redesigned part.

After that, the recommendations are to add information on single
engine failures in landing configuration to the NATOPS, and actually
train for engie failures in landing configurtation both in the
Replacement Training Unit and in the Fleet squadrons.

Understatement of the Previous Century:
"MP's ejection system worked as designed until water impact damage
interrupted normal operation."

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just
maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there
are ladies in the cockpit

There's a simple explanation:

on the hole, women have had far less stick time than men.

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:56:12 -0400, "John Harlow"
wrote:

There's a simple explanation:

on the hole, women have had far less stick time than men.


If you're going to talk about a woman's hole and a man's stick, I
don't know that this explanation "fits."

z

on the hole, women have had far less stick time than men.

Please let it be noted that I do not subscribe to that view, and I would
take great exception to the person that applied that to me!

Hehehehehe.
_____________
José Herculano

José Herculano wrote:
on the hole, women have had far less stick time than men.

Please let it be noted that I do not subscribe to that view, and I
would take great exception to the person that applied that to me!

Ok, that obviously didn't come out right!

What I MEANT was... Oh, never mind. No use digging in even deeper!

I am shocked that Struldbrug MichelleP has not entered this fray
screeching. OTOH, maybe she has groundlooped that generic Maule and
doesn't relish the exposure. Or maybe busy at the time-- on the angel sides
of clouds with the angels or cobbling hobbits for humanity.

are you seeing more women's names because more women are in the pilot pool?

this is a very poor statistic to properly evaluate..

How many thousands of accidents each year are male pilots that don't make
the news..

BT

"NoPoliticsHere" wrote in message
om...
I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just
maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there
are ladies in the cockpit. Maybe this is not the case, and I'm sure
the more PC gents here will be quick to jump on me for even suggesting
it, but during the past, I have noticed more than a few female names
mentioned in news reports about aircraft crashes (with them being one
of the pilots, or the only pilot). Just how many female professional
pilots are there? Aren't they involved in a disproportionately large
number of accidents? Drawing from memory, here are a few:

The accident yesterday that killed 10 with the NASCAR racing team
had a pilot named Liz (haven't met too many guys named Liz).
(Probably pilot error--reasonable guess--because the plane slammed
into Bull Mt. in foggy conditions.)

The commuter crash last week (Indiana?) had a pilot named Kim.

The commuter crash last year (plan overloaded) in Charlotte had
a female captain.

ValuJet crash in Everglades (in '96 I think) had a female captain.
(of course, this one could have gone down regardless of pilot skill,
but airliners *have* landed while blazing with flames (Ex: Air Canada
in Cincinatti I think).

The 1991 Colorado Springs 737 crash had a female in the cockpit.

A small cargo plane that landed here in town on a freeway (not on the
median, but ONTO rush hour traffic, making a firball out of a van,
killing the driver--female pilot survived) a few years ago had a lone
female pilot.

A fatal crash involving a Navy fighter (probably F-14) off a
carrier some time back had a female pilot (just how many female
F-14 pilots are there?)

See what I mean?

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