I want to buy a plane by year-end but they're not making it easy.

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"T.Roger" wrote:

Early on, I offered the east-coast Tiger rep to pay for fuel. It didn't
persuade him.

Maybe Lancair has it figured out. If you go to their "factory", you can
get a demo - but you have to pay something like $150 which covers
a lot more than fuel.


All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy.

Have you offered to pay them for the flight? Most dealers will be happy to
demo
a new plane for about $100.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to
have
been looking for it.



--
Bob Noel

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:40:25 GMT, "T.Roger"
wrote:

Early on, I offered the east-coast Tiger rep to pay for fuel. It didn't
persuade him.


IF a customer is serious about purchasing and wants a demo ride they
offer to pay for and hour of two of aircraft time, not gas!
Prices have gone up. You are probably looking at more like $150 to
$200 instead of $100, but it depends on what mood they are in and just
how serious (and capable) you present yourself.

Offering to pay for the fuel does sound like a tire kicker to them.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


"T.Roger" wrote:

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy.

Have you offered to pay them for the flight? Most dealers will be happy to
demo
a new plane for about $100.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to
have
been looking for it.

"Roger" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:40:25 GMT, "T.Roger"
wrote:

Early on, I offered the east-coast Tiger rep to pay for fuel. It didn't
persuade him.


IF a customer is serious about purchasing and wants a demo ride they
offer to pay for and hour of two of aircraft time, not gas!
Prices have gone up. You are probably looking at more like $150 to
$200 instead of $100, but it depends on what mood they are in and just
how serious (and capable) you present yourself.

Offering to pay for the fuel does sound like a tire kicker to them.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On the other hand, paying someone to have them demonstrate their equipment
is not something a customer should have to do.

I build and sell houses that go for $200K and up. Imagine if I used that
tactic.


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Matt Barrow wrote:

I build and sell houses that go for $200K and up. Imagine if I used that
tactic.

You allow people to live in one of your houses for a while before they decide to
buy it? That would be a demonstration of a house in exactly the same sense that
flying an aircraft is a demonstration of the plane.

I expect that what you do is allow prospective buyers to go to the house and
tour it before purchase. I would be *very* surprised to find that an aircraft
manufacturer won't allow someone to go to one of their dealers or the factory
and look at one of their planes.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

If someone is actually serious, then they should not be asked for money for
a demonstration IMO.

I didn't pay anyone. I also did not take any rides I wasn't serious about.
I told one guy at an open house that I did want to come see the plane, but
that I was not a good prospect and he should spend his time working others.
I am sure he appreciated that. He still offered a ride. I suspect that he
considered me a good prospect and thought the ride might sway me.

If I were determined, I would rather go get the prequalification and an
insurance quote. Then, if I got asked for them, I would ask point blank why
the guy thought I wasn't serious. He better have a tactful answer, or my
next conversation would be with his boss.

I suspect that something about T Roger is causing all of these guys to have
the same reaction, and he seems to be oblivious to it. It may be
misleading, or not.



"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
Early on, I offered the east-coast Tiger rep to pay for fuel. It didn't
persuade him.


"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


"T.Roger" wrote:

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy.

Have you offered to pay them for the flight? Most dealers will be happy
to demo
a new plane for about $100.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to
have
been looking for it.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


"T.Roger" wrote:

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy.

Have you offered to pay them for the flight? Most dealers will be happy to
demo
a new plane for about $100.


Three years ago I bought (for cash) an B36TC ("Pre-owned") and the broker
damn near gave me a BJ just to go up with him.

Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Any FEMALE Beech brokers out there that you know of?


"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


"T.Roger" wrote:

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy.

Have you offered to pay them for the flight? Most dealers will be happy
to
demo
a new plane for about $100.


Three years ago I bought (for cash) an B36TC ("Pre-owned") and the broker
damn near gave me a BJ just to go up with him.

Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"T.Roger" wrote in message
m...
Any FEMALE Beech brokers out there that you know of?



Yeah, AAMOF! http://www.kansasaircraft.com


Three years ago I bought (for cash) an B36TC ("Pre-owned") and the
broker
damn near gave me a BJ just to go up with him.

Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Matt Barrow wrote:

"T.Roger" wrote in message
m...

Any FEMALE Beech brokers out there that you know of?




Yeah, AAMOF! http://www.kansasaircraft.com

OK, any good looking female brokers... :-)

Matt Barrow wrote:

Three years ago I bought (for cash) an B36TC ("Pre-owned") and the broker
damn near gave me a BJ just to go up with him.

Brokers are a different story than the manufacturers. They're just
flying someone elses aircraft (and frequently at the sellers expense).
The broker I purchased the Navion through was more than happy to let
me fly it. He didn't even want to be in the right seat (I had brought
along an instructor of my own).