HURRICANE PROOF BUILDINGS

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:01:18 -0400, Matt Whiting
wrote:

No, concrete designed to withstand hurricans beats wood that wasn't so
designed. The old wood sailing ships took a lot more beating on a daily
basis than is dished out by a hurricane. And they held up rather well.
It is a matter of what loads the structure is designed for, not the
materials used in the construction.


Matt

Matt, this sounds a like hyperbole. "Old wood sailing ships took a
lot more beating on a daily basis than is dished out by a hurricane"?
Really? Catagory 1 storms begin at 74 miles per hour. Have you ever
been in deepwater in a wooden sailing ship when it was blowing at only
74 mph? Because that's the lowest windspeed of the least violent
classification of hurricane.

I've been on a fiberglass sloop on a large lake when it was blowing
steady at 30 knots and gusting to 50 knots. I don't ever want to do
that again, and I for SURE would not want to be out at sea in a wooden
sailing vessel while a category anything hurricane was blowing.

Those old wooden ships demasted on a regular basis and the sea bottom
is littered with their wrecks.

Corky Scott

Corky Scott wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:01:18 -0400, Matt Whiting
wrote:


No, concrete designed to withstand hurricans beats wood that wasn't so
designed. The old wood sailing ships took a lot more beating on a daily
basis than is dished out by a hurricane. And they held up rather well.
It is a matter of what loads the structure is designed for, not the
materials used in the construction.


Matt


Matt, this sounds a like hyperbole. "Old wood sailing ships took a
lot more beating on a daily basis than is dished out by a hurricane"?
Really? Catagory 1 storms begin at 74 miles per hour. Have you ever
been in deepwater in a wooden sailing ship when it was blowing at only
74 mph? Because that's the lowest windspeed of the least violent
classification of hurricane.

I was talking about the hull hitting the ways. Hitting a wave at 15-20
knots is a LOT of force. I'd have to do some research to find the
equivalent wind speed to provide the same force as hitting water at 20
knots, but it would be a lot of wind given the density difference
between wind and water.


I've been on a fiberglass sloop on a large lake when it was blowing
steady at 30 knots and gusting to 50 knots. I don't ever want to do
that again, and I for SURE would not want to be out at sea in a wooden
sailing vessel while a category anything hurricane was blowing.

Those old wooden ships demasted on a regular basis and the sea bottom
is littered with their wrecks.

Again, I was talking hull, not masts, sails, etc.


Matt

Corky Scott wrote in
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Matt, this sounds a like hyperbole. "Old wood sailing ships took a
lot more beating on a daily basis than is dished out by a hurricane"?

First you tell Matt not to argue with me because you think I'm an expert on
everything and now you agree with my assessment of Mark's comments. Hmm.

Juan

Matt Whiting wrote in
:

No, concrete designed to withstand hurricans beats wood that wasn't so
designed. The old wood sailing ships took a lot more beating on a
daily basis than is dished out by a hurricane. And they held up
rather well.

Source, please. Daily beating on the order of what category hurricane?

Juan Jimenez wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in
:


No, concrete designed to withstand hurricans beats wood that wasn't so
designed. The old wood sailing ships took a lot more beating on a
daily basis than is dished out by a hurricane. And they held up
rather well.


Source, please. Daily beating on the order of what category hurricane?



Sorry, I don't get paid to educate you. Do a Google search and look at
the psi that say 150 MPH wind generates than then figure out what
pressure is generated from smacking into water at 20-25 MPH.


Matt

"RobertR237" wrote in message
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There's a simple solution: build HURRICANE PROOF BUILDINGS

http://www.monolithic.com/gallery/co...ars/index.html


Hurricane resistant, maybe...Hurricane Proof, never.


Which of the numbers do you disagree with?
http://www.monolithic.com/plan_desig...ive/index.html

From: "geo"
Subject: HURRICANE PROOF BUILDINGS
Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 2:20 PM

"Vaughn" wrote in message
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Wood is an amazing building material. A properly designed wooden
structure
will stand up to a hurricane just as well as a properly designed concrete
structure.

I'm not talking about cinder blocks.

And I am not talking about reinforced concrete dome houses. I am talking
about the real-life code-compliant housing that fills up neighborhoods here in
south Florida. In fact, my post above was not even in response to you, and
certainly not to some weird structure that lives in your imagination or on a on
a web page somewhere.

Last time I checked; here in south Florida, a code-compliant wooden house
will get the same insurance rate for storm coverage as a comparable concrete
home. Proper storm shutters and/or Dade approved window and door systems are a
major item and insurance companies may someday force 100% retrofit in storm
counties. After window protection, the next most important item for storm
resistance is roof design, not the building material of the walls.

Ten years ago, I toured hurricane Andrew's devastation and saw many failed
structures, wood, concrete block, and yes; even reinforced concrete.


Vaughn (a guy who lives in a concrete house)

"Vaughn" wrote in message
...

And I am not talking about reinforced concrete dome houses. I am
talking
about the real-life code-compliant housing that fills up neighborhoods
here in
south Florida. In fact, my post above was not even in response to you,
and
certainly not to some weird structure that lives in your imagination or on
a on
a web page somewhere.

You don't know what you're talking about. Those weird structures have been
built for the last 25 years throughout the world as homes, gyms,
auditoriums, churches, bunkers, storage silos, airplane hangers. They can
and have withstood most natural disasters including hurricanes, fire,
earthquakes and tornadoes. And they're 50%-70% more energy efficient. Given
similar costs why anyone would choose to build a flimsy stick and tar
stylish deathtrap is beyond me.

Last time I checked; here in south Florida, a code-compliant wooden
house
will get the same insurance rate for storm coverage as a comparable
concrete
home. Proper storm shutters and/or Dade approved window and door systems
are a
major item and insurance companies may someday force 100% retrofit in
storm
counties. After window protection, the next most important item for storm
resistance is roof design, not the building material of the walls.

Ten years ago, I toured hurricane Andrew's devastation and saw many
failed
structures, wood, concrete block, and yes; even reinforced concrete.

And I'm sure many of them were code-compliant. That's a false sense of
security. When a cat-5 hits a code compliant house it'll be in splinters.
Code-compliant doesn't mean that's the best that's possible it represents
somebody's idea of what can reasonably be done for the least cost given
commonly used building techniques without upsetting too many people while
making contractors happy.

All those planes (not to mention people) that were damaged or destroyed
would have been untouched in a monolithic dome. It's that simple.


Vaughn (a guy who lives in a concrete house)

What kind of concrete house?

Vaughn (a guy who lives in a concrete house)

What kind of concrete house?

I guess people who live in concrete houses can throw stones.

"geo" wrote in message news:VUKUc.46144$US4.22088@trndny01...
"Vaughn" wrote in message
...

And I am not talking about reinforced concrete dome houses. I am
talking
about the real-life code-compliant housing that fills up neighborhoods
here in
south Florida. In fact, my post above was not even in response to you,
and
certainly not to some weird structure that lives in your imagination or on
a on
a web page somewhere.

You don't know what you're talking about.

I know exactly what I am talking about and I think I made myself quite
clear. Apparently my reality does not match your reality, so this will serve as
a friendly end our conversation. You may now withdraw to your dome-shaped
hanger with my complements.

Regards,
Vaughn