Cessna forced down by the Feds

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:33:41 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote in
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Apparently an immigrant smuggling operation. AP is reporting a Cessna was
forced down Tuesday morning near San Antonio with four Chinese nationals on
board. The plane, N98873, is supposedly owned by Afzal Hameed and Alyce S.
Taylor.

Are you able to provide a link to the AP article?

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:33:41 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote in
::

Apparently an immigrant smuggling operation. AP is reporting a Cessna was
forced down Tuesday morning near San Antonio with four Chinese nationals
on
board. The plane, N98873, is supposedly owned by Afzal Hameed and Alyce
S.
Taylor.

Are you able to provide a link to the AP article?

Every time I provide a link it starts a whole sub-thread about spyware. I
will look and see if I can find it again, though.

Okay, I did not find it, but I found this somewhat more sensationalized
version he

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2412325A

The original AP article said that there was no link to terrorism, so this
article must have used different sources. Note that they had to backtrack a
little in a follow-up article. Of course, if you are really paranoid, maybe
the Department of Homeland Fear suppressed the terrorism link "in order to
avoid widespread panic." Who knows?

Ah, here is a more subdued AP link:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/plane25.html

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:25:39 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote in
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Every time I provide a link it starts a whole sub-thread about spyware.

Consider the fact that copyright laws Fair Use policy permits the
inclusion of excerpts (as opposed to the complete article) of
copyrighted material. So it is appropriate to include some of the
salient portions of articles in such a post.


Okay, I did not find it, but I found this somewhat more sensationalized
version he

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2412325A

The original AP article said that there was no link to terrorism, so this
article must have used different sources. Note that they had to backtrack a
little in a follow-up article. Of course, if you are really paranoid, maybe
the Department of Homeland Fear suppressed the terrorism link "in order to
avoid widespread panic." Who knows?

Ah, here is a more subdued AP link:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/plane25.html


Thank you for the links.

About 4,000 illegal immigrants of various nationalities enter the US
through the southern border daily. The INS interdicts only about 20%
of them. Ranchers on the border are beginning to take matters into
their own hands. The Department of Homeland Security is another
pathetic joke on the citizenry of this noble nation perpetrated by the
baby Bush administration, IMNSHO.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Thank you for the links.

About 4,000 illegal immigrants of various nationalities enter the US
through the southern border daily. The INS interdicts only about 20%
of them. Ranchers on the border are beginning to take matters into
their own hands.

I personally find American xenophobia very tiresome and even
counterproductive. Huge resources are devoted to this 'problem' that could
be better used elsewhere. Suppose we just said that we will let anyone come
into the country that wants to? Everyone who was just coming in to work or
pick up a welfare check then would be entering through the legal border
entry points and would stop breaking fences, harassing ranchers, etc. The
few that would be left crossing illegally would be obvious criminals engaged
in smuggling, terrorism, and kidnapping. They would therefore be a lot
easier to catch. I think relaxing restrictions on immigration would make
things a lot easier on law enforcement. Our relations with our neighbors
would be greatly improved, also.

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:19:18 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote in
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Thank you for the links.

About 4,000 illegal immigrants of various nationalities enter the US
through the southern border daily. The INS interdicts only about 20%
of them. Ranchers on the border are beginning to take matters into
their own hands.

I personally find American xenophobia very tiresome and even
counterproductive.

To characterize illegal entry into the US as 'xenophobia' is to put
your personal spin on the issue.

Huge resources are devoted to this 'problem' that could
be better used elsewhere. Suppose we just said that we will let anyone come
into the country that wants to? Everyone who was just coming in to work or
pick up a welfare check then would be entering through the legal border
entry points and would stop breaking fences, harassing ranchers, etc.

And in your egalitarian view, how would terrorists be prevented from
mass entry into our country?

The
few that would be left crossing illegally would be obvious criminals engaged
in smuggling, terrorism, and kidnapping.

In the open border scenario you propose, what's to prevent those
immigrants with criminal intent from entering through the "legal
border entry points?"

They would therefore be a lot
easier to catch. I think relaxing restrictions on immigration would make
things a lot easier on law enforcement. Our relations with our neighbors
would be greatly improved, also.

My point was that the DHS is harassing the populous without policing
our borders; Ludicrous!

Your view seems quite altruistic, but a little naive to me. Without
some regulation on the VOLUME of immigrants entering the country, it
would soon be awash in hoards of poor people that we citizens would
have to find the means to support. Our social services (schools,
hospitals, jails, ...) would soon be overwhelmed. So your view would
be more plausible if you provided some solutions to the issues open
borders would create.

May I humbly suggest that you do a little research on the subject?

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...

Thank you for the links.

About 4,000 illegal immigrants of various nationalities enter the US
through the southern border daily. The INS interdicts only about 20%
of them. Ranchers on the border are beginning to take matters into
their own hands.

I personally find American xenophobia very tiresome and even
counterproductive. Huge resources are devoted to this 'problem' that could
be better used elsewhere. Suppose we just said that we will let anyone come
into the country that wants to? Everyone who was just coming in to work or
pick up a welfare check then would be entering through the legal border
entry points and would stop breaking fences, harassing ranchers, etc. The
few that would be left crossing illegally would be obvious criminals engaged
in smuggling, terrorism, and kidnapping. They would therefore be a lot
easier to catch. I think relaxing restrictions on immigration would make
things a lot easier on law enforcement. Our relations with our neighbors
would be greatly improved, also.

I agree.

There's the self-interest argument as well. Immigrants self-select for
traits we want in our country: a willingness to take a calcuated risk
for gain, an ambition to get ahead and improve their lives and their
childrens, a drive to do better.

It's no accident that with each peak of immigration into the US there's
been an economic rise in innovation, business formation, and employment
in the long term over the previously existing trends. The less we put
legal or social strictures on immigration the more true this is.

Besides, making things illegal just attracts the criminals - immigrants
wouldn't be smuggled if it were easier to get in. Clearly immigrants
are doing work that most of us don't want to do - otherwise there'd be
no demand for them and they wouldn't be coming in.

-Malcolm Teas

Larry Dighera wrote on 1/28/2005 07:46:

About 4,000 illegal immigrants of various nationalities enter the US
through the southern border daily. The INS interdicts only about 20%
of them.

The INS interdicts 0% of them, because the INS doesn't exist anymore and
hasn't for a while now (since the DHS was created a couple of years back.)
It would be CBP (Customs and Border Protection), a department of DHS,
that intercepts illegals.

-Joe

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:54:49 -0800, Joe Feise wrote
in ::

Larry Dighera wrote on 1/28/2005 07:46:

About 4,000 illegal immigrants of various nationalities enter the US
through the southern border daily. The INS interdicts only about 20%
of them.

The INS interdicts 0% of them, because the INS doesn't exist anymore and
hasn't for a while now (since the DHS was created a couple of years back.)
It would be CBP (Customs and Border Protection), a department of DHS,
that intercepts illegals.

-Joe

Thanks for the information.

A rose by any other name is still a rose....

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:46:08 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote in ::

About 4,000 illegal immigrants of various nationalities enter the US
through the southern border daily. The DHS interdicts only about 20%
of them.


Perhaps the DHS could have better spent some of that $500,000.00 of
taxpayers' money they spent partying on patrolling the borders:



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AVflash Volume 11, Number 6a -- February 7, 2005
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VIGILANTE AIR FORCE COMBATS ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
A California man has assembled a vigilante air force and army to
patrol an area of the Mexican border used frequently by illegal
immigrants. James Gilchrist says that so far 16 pilots have offered
themselves and their aircraft to help out the Minuteman Project, which
he hopes will embarrass the government into stopping "the endless mob
of illegal aliens streaming across our borders like a tsunami." The
aircraft and up to 400 volunteers will patrol an area south of Tucson
that is considered particularly prone to border jumping. Gilchrist
said the volunteers will use binoculars, telescopes and night-vision
gear to spot the aliens and report them to immigration officials. They
won't try to turn them back themselves.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#189114