boycott united forever

Andrew Gideon wrote:

If they're smart, they'll leave.

He asked where they would go. Got an answer?

The company has already shown what its
word is worth. Would you work for someone that broke promises to pay you?

I would as long as I couldn't find a job elsewhere.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

"RomeoMike" wrote in message

I feel a lot of sympathy for your dad, but he will still get a pension
(I heard up to 3/4th of what it was supposed to be) at taxpayers'
expense. If United is boycotted, where will all the layed off employees
go? No pension, but no job!

They're probably better off finding work at a company that won't screw them
and the taxpayers based on poor executive decisions.

Something has to happen, cause this sort of nonsense just keeps continuing.
Hewlett-Packard is another classic example. Carli the Destroyer got tens of
million dollars in severance plus $50,000 for--get this--"career
counseling"--meanwhile, a friend of mine who has been an engineer and
designer in their most successful business unit is one of seven remaining
from a team of over 50, and he's expecting to be laid off within the year.

Like United, the people who made the company what it is suffer. The ones
who wreck it walk away with millions. At some point, it becomes a matter
of America's best interest to make an extreme example of someone.

-c

gatt wrote:

They're probably better off finding work at a company that won't screw them
and the taxpayers based on poor executive decisions.

*You* try finding a decent job when you're in your 50s. No, they won't
discriminate on age, they'll just tell you they're looking for someone with less
experience.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

George Patterson wrote:
*You* try finding a decent job when you're in your 50s. No, they won't
discriminate on age, they'll just tell you they're looking for someone
with less experience.


Exactly. Many of these people who 'thought' they were going to enjoy a decent
retirement with their pension plans will need to go back to work (or work for
another 15 years). They will find they are competing with a new class of laborer,
resently arrived from another country willing to work for a wage suprisingly
lower than they expected to make (if they can get hired at all).

kontiki wrote:

They will find they are competing with a new class of
laborer, resently arrived from another country willing to work for a
wage suprisingly
lower than they expected to make (if they can get hired at all).

No, they won't. Recently arrived immigrants aren't thick on the ground in
professional positions. They will be competing with other professionals who are
in their late 20s or early 30s (that's typically the age bracket employers
target with their ads for "3 to 7 years experience"). If they return to school
and try to enter another profession, they may get as far as the interview.

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

What industry are you referring to? I work in an industry that contains
a lot of H-1 employees (software, telecommunications). There is no
difference in saleries.

-Robert

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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gatt wrote:

They're probably better off finding work at a company that won't screw
them
and the taxpayers based on poor executive decisions.

*You* try finding a decent job when you're in your 50s. No, they won't
discriminate on age, they'll just tell you they're looking for someone
with less
experience.


Kinda what happens when you expect your (current) employer to act as your
parent as well...even into your 50's.

So you believe the purpose of a corporation in the U.S. is to provide
employment. Mr. Marx, I think you're dated.
It's the stockholders who have a duty to police the compenstion
packages of CEOs, not mommy government. Its the stockholder's money.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message

So you believe the purpose of a corporation in the U.S. is to provide
employment. Mr. Marx, I think you're dated.
It's the stockholders who have a duty to police the compenstion
packages of CEOs, not mommy government. Its the stockholder's money.

To whom is this addressed?!

Robert M. Gary ) wrote:
: What industry are you referring to? I work in an industry that contains
: a lot of H-1 employees (software, telecommunications). There is no
: difference in saleries.
:
: -Robert
:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1014/p17s01-coop.html
Endangered species: US programmers | csmonitor.com

"Endangered species: US programmers
By David R. Francis

[snip]

Further, the H-1B program, set up in 1990, is flawed, critics charge.
For example, employers are not required to recruit Americans before
resorting to hiring H-1Bs, says Norman Matloff, a computer science
professor at the University of California, Davis.

And the requirement that employers pay H-1Bs a "prevailing wage" is
useless, he adds, because the law is riddled with loopholes. Nor are
even any remaining regulations enforced.

The average wage for an American programmer runs about $60,000, says
John Bauman, who set up the Organization for the Rights of American
Workers. Employers pay H-1Bs an average $53,000..."



http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...8566322.htm?1c
Jobs that stay here -- but not for Americans

"Jobs that stay here -- but not for Americans
By Karl Schoenberger

Mercury News

Not all the local jobs disappear when an Indian firm takes a software
project to Bangalore. As many as 30 percent in a typical offshoring
contract stay onshore, located right on the premises of U.S.
technology companies, offshoring experts say.

Yet these jobs aren't available to the local workforce. They are
reserved, almost exclusively, for guest workers brought from India on
H-1B visas by the outsourcing contractors, according to analysts and
industry sources.

Concerns about the impact of the H-1B program, which raised hackles
when it let in legions of foreign tech workers at the peak of the
Internet boom, are back again. Hurting from high unemployment after
the tech bubble burst and spooked by all the election-year buzz about
offshoring, displaced U.S. workers are claiming double jeopardy.

``These jobs never make it to the help-wanted ads or get posted
online,'' said Kim Berry, president of the Programmers Guild, a
Web-based advocacy group that criticizes offshoring and the H-1B
program.

The two issues are inseparable, said Ronil Hira, assistant professor
of public policy at Rochester Institute of Technology..."


--Jerry Leslie
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