C172 crash at Coney Island

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote:

Subsequent updates are emphasizing witness reports that the engine
sounded like it was sputtering,

Witnesses often say that, particularly if the airplane was spinning.

Yup. At least one witness was quoted as saying that the engine sputtered
while the plane "circled", but he could've been referring to spinning. Also,
if the plane entered a spin, the proper response would've included retarding
the throttle, which might be what the witnesses heard.

It's perplexing that an 1800-hour CFI would have a stall/spin crash on a
sightseeing flight, with or without an engine failure.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote:

Subsequent updates are emphasizing witness reports that the engine
sounded like it was sputtering,

Witnesses often say that, particularly if the airplane was spinning.

Yup. At least one witness was quoted as saying that the engine sputtered
while the plane "circled", but he could've been referring to spinning.
Also,
if the plane entered a spin, the proper response would've included
retarding
the throttle, which might be what the witnesses heard.

It's perplexing that an 1800-hour CFI would have a stall/spin crash on a
sightseeing flight, with or without an engine failure.

I was going to say that.
He is also CFII, MEI

"Guillermo" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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It's perplexing that an 1800-hour CFI would have a stall/spin crash on a
sightseeing flight, with or without an engine failure.

I was going to say that.
He is also CFII, MEI

If the engine failed, it's conceivable that the right-seat passenger
panicked and grabbed the control wheel or something. Without survivors or a
cockpit voice recorder, it'd be hard to know.

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote:


Subsequent updates are emphasizing witness reports that the engine
sounded like it was sputtering,

Witnesses often say that, particularly if the airplane was spinning.


Yup. At least one witness was quoted as saying that the engine sputtered
while the plane "circled", but he could've been referring to spinning. Also,
if the plane entered a spin, the proper response would've included retarding
the throttle, which might be what the witnesses heard.

It's perplexing that an 1800-hour CFI would have a stall/spin crash on a
sightseeing flight, with or without an engine failure.

Yes, that seems odd. Makes you wonder if something else didn't happen
like a seagull strike or something like that which disabled the pilot.

Matt

In article ,
says...

It's perplexing that an 1800-hour CFI would have a stall/spin crash on a
sightseeing flight, with or without an engine failure.



Perplexing - maybe. Disturbing - certainly. Rare - NOT.

G Faris

"Greg Farris" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

It's perplexing that an 1800-hour CFI would have a stall/spin crash on a
sightseeing flight, with or without an engine failure.

Perplexing - maybe. Disturbing - certainly. Rare - NOT.

It's not rare for an 1800-hour CFI to have a stall/spin crash in good VFR
weather? How often does that occur, according to your data?

Thanks,
Gary

Almost every crash report I've read where witnesses were involved
they said the engine stalled and was sputtering.



"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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Subsequent updates are emphasizing witness reports that the engine sounded
like it was sputtering, so perhaps an engine failure did contribute to the
crash.

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:
Four people died aboard a 172 that crashed at Coney Island today
(http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/ny...2crash.html?hp).

I find it interesting that this is dated tomorrow.

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Gary Drescher wrote:
Four people died aboard a 172 that crashed at Coney Island today
(http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/ny...2crash.html?hp).

I find it interesting that this is dated tomorrow.

Perhaps it is past the deadline for this morning's paper, and will be in
tomorrow morning's paper? Just a guess. g
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Jim in NC

4 in a 172 if they were adults that would be a full load.
"Morgans" wrote in message
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"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Gary Drescher wrote:
Four people died aboard a 172 that crashed at Coney Island today
(http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/ny...2crash.html?hp).

I find it interesting that this is dated tomorrow.

Perhaps it is past the deadline for this morning's paper, and will be in
tomorrow morning's paper? Just a guess. g
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Jim in NC