Flight plan hell, Tales of filing an ADIZ flight plan

Because the FSS Commodore C64 computers only have 64K of memory. They won't
all fit.

"Doug" wrote in message
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I've never understood why ALL flight plans can't be available to ALL
FFS's, Centers, Approaches and even Fligh****ches. Type in an N number
and you get all unexpired flight plans for that N number out of one
central database.

This would stop this "what FSS did you file with" question.

Although there might be some way to use this to your advantage.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:11:46 GMT, "Steve Foley"
wrote:

Because the FSS Commodore C64 computers only have 64K of memory. They won't
all fit.

I thought they were 16K Timex/Sinclair ZX81's?

I thought they were 16K Timex/Sinclair ZX81's?

Ah yes, Sinclair. I remember working with a Sinclair Scientific
calculator - it reported the sine of 90 degrees as being 0.0000002315 or
something like that.

Jose
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Nothing takes longer than a shortcut.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

I never could get that 16K expansion pack to connect properly. I'd whack the
enter 'key' and erase everything.

"Peter Clark" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:11:46 GMT, "Steve Foley"
wrote:

Because the FSS Commodore C64 computers only have 64K of memory. They
won't
all fit.

I thought they were 16K Timex/Sinclair ZX81's?

EMI is in New York Center's airspace. DMW (which is north of EMI) is in
ZDC's airspace. Have your briefer file DMW instead of EMI, and you'll be
ok.

Les

"Michelle P" wrote in message
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I filed an ADIZ/FRZ flight plan yesterday that went to the wrong Center.
Not once, not twice, not three times, but four times. It turns out that
even if you file with Leesburg FSS for a DC area ADIZ plan it can be
automatically routed to the wrong facility.

I called Friday evening checked weather, notams TFR's, etc. and filed two
flight plans. One ADIZ fro the next morning to get from Culpeper to
Frederick, MD and then onto Grimes (8N1). Great place.
www.goldenageair.org The other was for Sunday afternoon Westminster VOR
(EMI) to Hyde Field (W32) where my job is based. Yes you can file for more
than 24 hours in advance. The first flight plan went off without a hitch.
I called Sunday morning to file my work related super secret flight plans
and check on my previously filed flight plan suspicious that it was
already gone. It was still there!

I took off out of Grimes around 12:30 to pick up ADIZ flight plan over EMI
around 13:00. I arrived over EMI at 13:05 and called Potomac Approach. He
could not find the flight plan. I waited a few minutes and called again.
He said it was still not there. I was ****ed! I believed it was lost and
landed at Carroll County. I called Leesburg and Asked to speak to the
supervisor. He told me it was there and sent it again. I took off
confident that it was finally there. Upon climbing out I called Potomac
once again and he told me it was not there. By now I was truly upset. I
was going to be late for work. I thought they were screwing with me. Some
of the controllers know my voice since I fly the ADIZ/FRZ so frequently.
Some also do not like me. Improper service results in a phone call to
QA/QC.

Knowing I had a flight plan in the system, I called Leesburg again on the
air to air. The quality of their transmitter was poor and this added to
the frustration. I finally got the message across and she once again
transmitted the plan. It finally had come through. I was able to finally
get one my way towards Hyde Field with the requisite "remain clear of
Class B and FRZ". Once I landed and parked I called Leesburg and asked to
speak to the supervisor. He recognized my voice and starting apologizing
profusely.

It turns out that the default routing code for Flight plans originating at
Westminster (EMI) is New York center. Huh? EMI is 20 or so miles for
Baltimore? He went on to explain. In order to streamline things New York
center has control of flights from EMI north, includes EMI. Potomac hands
off directly to New York Center, taking Washington Center out of the loop.
A very short loop for Jets. To get around the flight plan routing problem
Leesburg has to manually change the routing for the flight plan to make
sure it gets to Washington, DC and then on to Potomac. They failed to do
this four times.

I asked him where to send the bill. he said "you can send it here but we
don't have any money to pay it."
So next time you file from the north over EMI Make you the Briefer enters
the correct routing code so you flight plan is available.

Michelle