TEC, can anyone use small words and explain this to me?

"Fred E. Pate" wrote:

Now at VFR towers (class D airports) in the Bay Area (and probably in the LA
area, too) they usually like you to prefile (because otherwise the ground
controller has to get on the interphone with a grumpy and busy approach
controller who then has to enter your flight plan). If you prefile, you can
tell the FSS briefer that you want "tower enroute routing" and they usually
don't go beyond the destination entry in the flight plan form. But that
doesn't matter to the route itself. Although not published in the A/FD for
the Bay Area, the routes are fixed and published within ATC.

Within the last year or so, Oakland FSS has put some information on their
web site regarding Bay Area TEC routes.

http://www1.faa.gov/ats/oakaifss/TEC/TECInfo.htm

It's not exhaustive, for instance I'd love to know in advance what is the
preferred IFR route from VCB to PAO.

Other than intellectual curiosity, why? Even when they give you a
clearance you'll probably spend most of the time on vectors anyway.
I'd guess it involves Vwhatever (I'm away from home) that goes
OAK-SUNOL-SJC.

John


It's not exhaustive, for instance I'd love to know in advance what is the
preferred IFR route from VCB to PAO.

"John Harper" wrote:

I'd love to know in advance what is the
preferred IFR route from VCB to PAO.

Other than intellectual curiosity, why? Even when they give you a
clearance you'll probably spend most of the time on vectors anyway.
I'd guess it involves Vwhatever (I'm away from home) that goes
OAK-SUNOL-SJC.

That's what I had guessed as well, but after conscientiously filing that
route on DUATS I found myself copying one of the more complicated and
devious full-route clearances I've ever had the privilege to accept.

If I'd known the preferred route, I would have filed it, been mentally
prepared for it (becoming familiar with the names of a couple of obscure
intersections), had it preloaded in the GPS, and copied little more than "as
filed."

And yes, after all of this, what I actually flew was: TZZ radar vectors
CCR, direct. But it was late at night.

I wonder why they bother. Even if you went NORDO
direct DOCAL direct would be fine...

The other day I filed PAO D OLM (Olympia, WA) D Bremerton.
They gave me vecs V334 SAC then as filed. I think I got to fly about
10 miles of V334 between vectors on to it and being cleared direct
afterwards.

John


"Craig Prouse" wrote in message
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"John Harper" wrote:

I'd love to know in advance what is the
preferred IFR route from VCB to PAO.

Other than intellectual curiosity, why? Even when they give you a
clearance you'll probably spend most of the time on vectors anyway.
I'd guess it involves Vwhatever (I'm away from home) that goes
OAK-SUNOL-SJC.

That's what I had guessed as well, but after conscientiously filing that
route on DUATS I found myself copying one of the more complicated and
devious full-route clearances I've ever had the privilege to accept.

If I'd known the preferred route, I would have filed it, been mentally
prepared for it (becoming familiar with the names of a couple of obscure
intersections), had it preloaded in the GPS, and copied little more than
"as
filed."

And yes, after all of this, what I actually flew was: TZZ radar vectors
CCR, direct. But it was late at night.