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Hmm,
George do you not have a transponder? That would most definitely be a problem.But other than the "it's not needed" any idea? I doubt if I'll have a transponder in my airplane either, so I'd more than likely be in that boat as well. But if I really need to go across the airspace I can get a transponder. I'd be willing to get a transponder to just have a Class B situation. but what's the old saying, Ya can't make everybody happy! This entire situation is one of those deals Wouldn't saying you can fly in it with a transponder make you happier than them finally saying we are shutting it down completely? NO FLY? Patrick "George Patterson" wrote in message news:M2MJe.576$Yf7.343@trndny06... W P Dixon wrote: Jose, I think you most definitely are missing something, a simple fact that something will exist in the DC area if we like it or not. So why not make it something we could be alittle bit happier with. But your proposal for a super-B doesn't produce anything I would be happier with. I used to be able to cut a good deal of time off trips south by cutting under the class-B floor or (rarely) going over the top. I can't do that with the ADIZ and wouldn't be able to do that with your proposal. George Patterson Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks. |
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GAO study results relevant to this thread:
"HOMELAND SECURITY Agency Resources Address Violations of Restricted Airspace, but Management Improvements Are Needed" http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05928t.html http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05928t.pdf -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 Reduce spam. Use Sender Policy Framework: http://spf.pobox.com ____________________ |
#133
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You didn't ask...
Actually, by posting the draft, I was implicitly asking. I appreciate the feedback, and will incorporate many of the changes as is. However... My Cherokee 235 had a useful load of 1,400 lbs, and could probably become airborne carrying substantially more weight. .... and this can make a fair sized bang. No argument. But what triggered this whole thing was not a "fair sized" bang, but a "humongous boom", next to which 1400 lbs of explosive is a firecracker. (anybody a demolition expert that could quantify the destructive power of a commercial jet vs a cherokee with 1400 lbs of bang in it?) Although any sized bang is bad for the people in it, there needs to be a threshold of bang required before we consider imposing strong restrictions in an attempt to avoid it. I might reword [does not increase security by any appreciable amount, although at the same time it imposes an inappropriate burden...] as: ... does not increase security by an amount commensurate with the financial and bourdons... My point is that if a bang can be delivered several ways, one needs to close =all= those doors before security is appreciably increased. Unless the roads are closed, the airplane provides little advantage. I would rethink suggesting "a huge amount of airspace ... completely sterile - no flights no aircraft ..." to an agency capable of enacting that. You think they haven't thought of it? My point is that this, which would be necessary, would also be (obviously) too burdensome. Second, our government may consider collateral damage associated with any shoot-down acceptable, and certainly preferable to having the aircraft impact their offices. You are right. But (my point is that) the likelyhood that the alternative to a rain of aircraft parts and flaming avgas is an airplane in the White House lobby. The most likely alternative is a peaceful sightseeing flight with four patriotic US citizens awestruck by the beauty of our Capitol. Ok, a little rhetoric there, but it's an important point. To this, collateral damage is =not= acceptable. I suppose I need to state that more forcefully. Thanks for your comments; I look forward to more. To wit: 1: The FAA is required to "consider" the points being raised. To me this means "to rebut them before enacting the rule anyway". (Ok, the cynic in me!). In any case, what would their likely rebuttals be, so I can anticipate them in the letter itself? 2: Does it matter how many people sign such a letter? i.e. does it make sense to make a petition out of it? 3: Would it make sense to get an organization like MoveOn.org to read it and perhaps generate an action item? Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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If no "bad guys" are here, then I am sure we could all agree none of this other would be necessary at all.
"bad guys" != "non-citizens". Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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I can come up with about 100 things to do in a C-150 that would shut this nation down.
How many can you think of that =require= a C-150? Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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I can think of lots and lots, both requiring and not requiring the use of
any aircraft...all would pretty much shut the capital down. Dangers are most definitely by more than just the air. And for the most part most of the bad guys are non-citizens..but sad to say we have our own little "moles" just like the Brits had in their recent attacks. IMHO we have not moved as fast as we need to to get rid of the vermin. 9/11 was a very sucessful air attack, if the attack had been like the OKC bombing, I would guess they would stop Uhaul trucks and such at the DC limits. Just the way they think. Look at the useless bag checks on NYC subways now, it's reason is so you "feel" safer, but it isn't doing anything .. But New Yorkers are lining up letting the cops rummage through there belongings, for what otherwise would be an illegal search. Go Figure huh! Shoot for the "if our borders were secure then DC would be secure",..that'll ruffle their feathers! Red tapers hate common sense! Patrick "Jose" wrote in message . .. I can come up with about 100 things to do in a C-150 that would shut this nation down. How many can you think of that =require= a C-150? Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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IMHO we have not moved as fast as we need to to get rid of the vermin.
.... and how would you do that? First you have to identify the vermin, knowing that they look just like you and me. Some are citizens, and some citizens "look foreign". So, you have to pry into the private lives of many innocent people. Like you. This would be unacceptable. Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Jose,
well I am not the FBI but I would just have to guess they already have some great ideas of who the vermin is, and no they do not look like me I have not seen a Scot blow up anything in the name of Islam yet If the Islamic cleric is preaching violence I would say that's a dern good place to start.And they already have the Not To Patriot Act to use to find whomever whenever. And even with all of that we can't find 11 million illegals? HAHA Sometimes you wonder if any of us has enough sense to get out of bed ! Searching Grandma is NOT going to find a terrorist, but the chances increase if you search Abdul. But of course if we do not stop them at the border then it will all be a waste of time anyway, cause they will keep right on coming! Patrick "Jose" wrote in message .. . IMHO we have not moved as fast as we need to to get rid of the vermin. ... and how would you do that? First you have to identify the vermin, knowing that they look just like you and me. Some are citizens, and some citizens "look foreign". So, you have to pry into the private lives of many innocent people. Like you. This would be unacceptable. Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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"George Patterson"
During the 9/11 investigations, several security people stated that that was the case. They wanted to reduce the number of radar targets in the area to something manageable if they had to intercept. A fair amount of the hearingd were broadcast on NPR last Spring. That's it, really? "Several security people stated"? You OK with that? Certainly. NPR didn't state "several security people stated", they played recordings of the hearings and identified the speakers. In other words, I heard some of the people responsible for getting the ADIZ set up state that the purpose was to reduce the number of radar targets and make sure that there were no unidentified primary radar echoes. Other ways of accomplishing this have been suggested. moo |
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Searching Grandma is NOT going to find a terrorist
But if we let it be known that we won't search Grandma, then somehow Grandma will be the bomb. Terrorists aren't dumb. But of course if we do not stop them at the border... Even if we do, the ideas will cross the border and infiltrate our society. We're getting off topic here though. Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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