More Katrina

("TL" wrote)
[snip]
In case you haven't noticed, this newsgroup is rife with political
commentary and vulgar language both on and off topic. Such is the
nature of USENET. I'll continue to post what I wish, when I wish, and
where I wish. To that end: Those who buy into the administration's
war in Iraq have their head firmly buried in the sand, and, yes, to me
they are ****ing idiots. Deal with it.


People are seldom crude or vulgar here ...the 'F'enheimer is rare in this
newsgroup - thank goodness.

....but yes, sometimes "bloviating idiot" fits.


M*#^*&%*k

TL wrote:

Go back to your choir loft, Denny boy. My comments stand correct as
stated, all four paragraphs. Sometimes the truth stings, huh? In
case you haven't noticed, this newsgroup is rife with political
commentary and vulgar language both on and off topic. Such is the
nature of USENET. I'll continue to post what I wish, when I wish, and
where I wish. To that end: Those who buy into the administration's
war in Iraq have their head firmly buried in the sand, and, yes, to me
they are ****ing idiots.

You seem to be an expert in this area of being an idiot.

"TL" wrote in message ...
"Denny" wrote:

Well TL, quite a diatribe... I do not disagree with the basic premise
of your argument about some people being blind to reality and basically
stupid... Which is exactly what shows in your twisting about at the end
to make this storm and your diatribe an excuse for a political attack
upon the president, complete with vulgar language...

In other words, "Oh, he said a bad word! Oh, he attacked the
president's policy! I'm shocked! I'm mortified!"

Go back to your choir loft, Denny boy. My comments stand correct as
stated, all four paragraphs. Sometimes the truth stings, huh? In
case you haven't noticed, this newsgroup is rife with political
commentary and vulgar language both on and off topic. Such is the
nature of USENET. I'll continue to post what I wish, when I wish, and
where I wish. To that end: Those who buy into the administration's
war in Iraq have their head firmly buried in the sand, and, yes, to me
they are ****ing idiots. Deal with it.



Mo http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/print.php

"Friday, September 2nd, 2005
Vacation is Over... an open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush

Friday, September 2nd, 2005

Dear Mr. Bush:

Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and
need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them?
I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag.

Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they
signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with?

Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only
a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power.
That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know
you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to
go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her!

I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with
your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck
could you do, put your finger in the dike?

And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers'
budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money
to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more
important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!

On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot
descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you
couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.

There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep
pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in
the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global
warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4
tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland.

No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens
of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to
Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has
nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this!

You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of
New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.

Yours,

Michael Moore

www.MichaelMoore.com

P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch. She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War
dead are now driving across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you can catch up with them before
they get to DC on September 21st."

Blueskies wrote:
Mo http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/print.php

What is to be said?
Let's not overlook the obvious, Michael Moore is an idiot.
Michael Moore is in the entertainment industry.
People who take him seriously are just not living in the real world.
His rants and views are no different than the Daley Show on the Comedy
Channel.

"TL" wrote:


The levee breach and the resulting flooding of New Orleans is a sad
testament to man's arrogance in trying to re-engineer nature.

Yes, the entire area epitomizes some of humanities worst ideas WRT
controlling its environment. Channelize the Mississippi? What folly.

Meanwhile, president Bush is at a Naval Air Station in Colorado making
a speech in which he compares his administration's politically
motivated hegemony in Iraq with WW2. "Once again we will not rest
until victory is America's and our freedom is secure." Any American
who buys in to such bull**** is a ****ing idiot.

Whom do you expect to influence by posting such words in a peaceful
newsgroup? My feelings WRT Mr. Bush, notwithstanding, I find them
offensive, as I'm sure most others do. As Denny points out, there are
ng's where such things may be appropriate, but not here.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Dan Luke" wrote:

My feelings WRT Mr. Bush, notwithstanding, I find them
offensive, as I'm sure most others do.

How amusing. A cursory check reveals that you not only engage in
political commentary here, but you curse as well ("Bull****" just a
few days ago). Your hypocrisy is showing. In truth, it wasn't the
curse word that offended you, it was the phrase that offended you, and
it offended you because it fit. Let's not pretend otherwise. I am
pleased that I offended the intended audience. As for any choirboys I
may have also offended, I couldn't care less.

"TL" wrote:


My feelings WRT Mr. Bush, notwithstanding, I find them
offensive, as I'm sure most others do.

How amusing. A cursory check reveals that you not only engage in
political commentary here, but you curse as well ("Bull****" just a
few days ago). Your hypocrisy is showing. In truth, it wasn't the
curse word that offended you, it was the phrase that offended you, and
it offended you because it fit. Let's not pretend otherwise.

I'm pretending nothing. If you had bothered to do more than a cursory
check, you would know that.

As to the language, it's a matter of degree, as are most things.

I am
pleased that I offended the intended audience.

That makes you a troll, doesn't it?

As for any choirboys I
may have also offended, I couldn't care less.

That seems unlikely, given your defensive reaction.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

TL wrote:

"Dan Luke" wrote:

Holy ****.

This is far worse than we were being told even this morning. Whole
sections of Biloxi are leveled. Multi-story casinos have been driven
all the way across Hwy 90 and into neighborhoods. It looks like the
city has been carpet bombed.

Hancock County, to the west of Biloxi, is expected to be *worse*! How
that could be possible, I do not know.



The damage is exactly what knowledgeable people would expect from a
strong cat 4 or marginal cat 5 hurricane hitting such an area.
Welcome to Hurricane Reality 101.

The lesson has been taught many times in the past but it is a lesson
conveniently forgotten by many. Indeed, sometimes the lesson is never
learned in the first place. I just saw an interview on TV with a
woman whose wood frame house was reduced to rubble by Katrina. She
remarked, "We made it through Camille so I thought we could make it
through this one". What she didn't realize, and what most people
don't realize, is that a mere 10 miles one way or the other in cat 4
or 5 hurricane can mean the difference between total destruction or
just a few tree limbs down. In truth, that lady didn't "make it
through Camille", she made it through the periphery of Camille. She,
like most, didn't understand the difference. It's a crap shoot, and
those who win the bet a few times and escape the eye wall often become
emboldened and mistakenly believe that they know what hurricanes are
all about. Yesterday, such ignorance killed hundreds of people.

Yes, and the ignorance of even allowing stud frame construction in
hurricane zones to begin with. Personally, I think if people want to
live in these areas and get government help when the inevitable cat 4 or
5 comes through, then the building codes should require reinforced
concrete construction (or something similar) with steel window shutters,
backup generators, etc. for all new construction.


The levee breach and the resulting flooding of New Orleans is a sad
testament to man's arrogance in trying to re-engineer nature. With
upwards of 50,000 people remaining in a city with no functional
plumbing, the flooded streets will soon be awash with sewage and other
contaminates. Potable water is scarce. Widespread disease and
pestilence could follow. Hundreds have died and thousands more may
die. There are more than 25,000 people in a Superdome with no
functional plumbing. They must be evacuated immediately. The water
level in the streets is rising as the basin pumps fail one by one.
The true scope of this disaster on a human scale is only beginning to
be played out. The official response so far has been underwhelming.
A much larger mobilization is needed.

Yep, I've always thought it was nuts to build in a location that is both
near the ocean and below sea level. This is OK in Death Valley, but
pure folly near the coast.


Matt

TL wrote:

Meanwhile, president Bush is at a Naval Air Station in Colorado making
a speech in which he compares his administration's politically
motivated hegemony in Iraq with WW2. "Once again we will not rest
until victory is America's and our freedom is secure." Any American
who buys in to such bull**** is a ****ing idiot.

And anyone who would write this is likewise.


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:

Any American who buys in to such bull**** is a ****ing idiot.

And anyone who would write this is likewise.

And another of the flag waving sheep chimes in. My final paragraph
was just as accurate as the preceding three. I'm pleased that it
jerked your chain.