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No, we're not both correct. Yes, it is possible to point to *some* good
things happening in virtually *any* era or circumstances (which is not to agree with the specifics of your view on that, or the view of your unnamed, unquoted "black celebrities"). I can't remember the name (which is why I didn't attribute the quote in the first place) but I *believe* it was Wynton Marsalis, and I *think* he said that about Harlem's "glory years" on NPR's "Fresh Air" with Terry Gross. Or, it may have been a lead-in to a Terry Gross' question to Marsalis? Or, it *may* have been a quote taken from the PBS mini-series about Harlem? I know I heard it some where -- but don't quote me! :-) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote:
New Orleans survived for roughly three centuries. Yeah, maybe its eventual destruction was inevitable, but frankly, the same could be said of just about any city, if your timeframe is large enough. True, but it has been brought to light that many contemporary N.O. leaders knew -- and regarded as inevitable -- that their city was living on borrowed time in the short-term. We're not talking geologic time here; we're talking about in a single person's life-span. For them to have known this, and not taken any discernible action, is criminal. Yesterday NPR interviewed the former city planner for N.O. (she was in that capacity until 2000, I think), and she spoke extensively about the levee system and its known weaknesses. Unfortunately, she also admitted that the bureaucratic boondoggles (the levees were controlled by an entirely separate government agency, outside the control of the city) ultimately prevented the issue of levee strengthening from ever being presented as an option to the voters. In short, New Orleans government completely and utterly failed the citizens of New Orleans. They never even brought the issue to a vote, despite knowing the danger! On the contrary. They understood that the levee system was part of the overall Mississippi waterway system, under control of the Army Corps of Engineers. You cannot separate the part in New Orleans from the rest, as it all has to work together, particularly when many of the Corps management schemes upriver have exacerbated the New Orleans problem. When the budget for improving the levees was cut by the Feds, New Orleans tried over and over again to get the money reinstated as a basic safety measure for the city. Bringing the issue to a vote in the city would have done nothing to free up the federal funds, which is where the money had to come from. |
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"Philip S." wrote in message ... in article , cjcampbell at wrote on 9/6/05 3:31 AM: People who are not Americans may not know this, but federal troops are actually prohibited from performing law enforcement duties. Except when the president calls on them to do so. The first President Bush sent the Guard, the Army and the Marines into L.A. in 1992 during the riots. Every president has the power to do so. Only upon request by the local officials. |
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It really depends upon how broadly you define "Law enforcement." Only
the National Guard with a specific declaration by the states can exercise the police powers of arrest and detention. The active duty troops direct traffic and do other things done by the police that look and smell like law enforcement, but lack any criminal justice power to enforce their orders. "Doof" wrote in message ... "Philip S." wrote in message ... in article , cjcampbell at wrote on 9/6/05 3:31 AM: People who are not Americans may not know this, but federal troops are actually prohibited from performing law enforcement duties. Except when the president calls on them to do so. The first President Bush sent the Guard, the Army and the Marines into L.A. in 1992 during the riots. Every president has the power to do so. Only upon request by the local officials. |
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I'm just waiting for someone to use the "Broken Window" fallacy.
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Let's see. In the 1950's, there were hardly any black police,
firefighters, TV characters... let alone doctors, lawyers, judges, justices, secretaries of state... It was legal, and widely practiced, to refuse to hire any African Americans, or rent or sell housing to them, or serve them in restaurants... In much of the nation, blacks were even forbidden by law to use the public drinking fountains designated for whites. So that was quite a "peak". We all know that "stuff", so how about explaining the rampant pathologies that began starting in the 1960's after they we're "freed"? Or don't they teach THAT PART in schools? You DO know what pathologies I'm talking about, don't you...being so "educated" and all... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books |
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"James Robinson" wrote in message . 97.142... On the contrary. They understood that the levee system was part of the overall Mississippi waterway system, under control of the Army Corps of Engineers. You cannot separate the part in New Orleans from the rest, as it all has to work together, particularly when many of the Corps management schemes upriver have exacerbated the New Orleans problem. So why did they (City of NO) have a separate administration for the levees? |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:mfDTe.314633$x96.223338@attbi_s72... No, we're not both correct. Yes, it is possible to point to *some* good things happening in virtually *any* era or circumstances (which is not to agree with the specifics of your view on that, or the view of your unnamed, unquoted "black celebrities"). I can't remember the name (which is why I didn't attribute the quote in the first place) but I *believe* it was Wynton Marsalis, and I *think* he said that about Harlem's "glory years" on NPR's "Fresh Air" with Terry Gross. According to Tom Sowell, Harlem was originally an upper class black neighborhood that banned the Irish. |
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Jay Honeck wrote: New Orleans survived for roughly three centuries. Yeah, maybe its eventual destruction was inevitable, but frankly, the same could be said of just about any city, if your timeframe is large enough. True, but it has been brought to light that many contemporary N.O. leaders knew -- and regarded as inevitable -- that their city was living on borrowed time in the short-term. We're not talking geologic time here; we're talking about in a single person's life-span. The main problem is NO didn't follow their carefully thought out disaster plan. They had a plan that they worked on very hard and for a very long time. Chances are the plan would have broken down at some point but they never gave it a chance. They never even started using the plan. They just sat their with their thumb up their ass and blamed the federal government. The mayor and the governor are 100% at fault. |
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