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Javier Henderson wrote:
Hilton wrote:
Neil wrote:
3. "a flight plan was not filed for the cross-country flight"

Would that have made a difference?

Some pilots on this NG were asking if he was IFR.

I don't follow you. He could've asked for a pop-up clearance.

I'm not sure what you're not following, I simply cut-n-pasted from the
report; i.e. he had not filed, period. So no, he wasn't IFR, had no
instrument rating, and did not ask for a pop up (according to the report -
see my previous post for the link).

Hilton

Javier Henderson wrote:
3. "a flight plan was not filed for the cross-country flight"
Would that have made a difference?
Some pilots on this NG were asking if he was IFR.
I don't follow you. He could've asked for a pop-up clearance.

isn't a pop-up clearance a flight plan? you just happen to
file it in the air...

--Sylvain

"Hilton" wrote in message
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Neil wrote:
3. "a flight plan was not filed for the cross-country flight"

Would that have made a difference?

Some pilots on this NG were asking if he was IFR.

This case really amazes me. The guy had his PPL for a month or so, and had
no problem at all with departing at night, in the rain, with his wife, and 2
kids they planned to adopt.

Tom wrote:

Hilton wrote:
Neil wrote:
3. "a flight plan was not filed for the cross-country flight"

Would that have made a difference?

Some pilots on this NG were asking if he was IFR.

This case really amazes me. The guy had his PPL for a month or so, and
had
no problem at all with departing at night, in the rain, with his wife, and
2
kids they planned to adopt.

Tom, it's unbelievable isn't it. Let's ignore what could have or should
have been taught to him, syllabii etc. How about common sense??? And also
perhaps another example (together with the stats) that Private pilots need
more (real) instrument time that what's required by Part 61.

Hilton

This case really amazes me. The guy had his PPL for a month or so, and
had
no problem at all with departing at night, in the rain, with his wife,
and 2
kids they planned to adopt.

Tom, it's unbelievable isn't it. Let's ignore what could have or should
have been taught to him, syllabii etc. How about common sense??? And
also perhaps another example (together with the stats) that Private pilots
need more (real) instrument time that what's required by Part 61.

Do you really think that would have helped?

This guy launched into conditions that would have given pause to many
experienced instrument-rated pilots. He clearly had no common sense, and
even less concern for his family. Extra training wouldn't hurt, but it
also won't help guys like this.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Hilton wrote:

And also
perhaps another example (together with the stats) that Private pilots need
more (real) instrument time that what's required by Part 61.

Additional practice on instruments won't help someone scud-run. The only thing
that would have saved this guy once he decided to launch would have been the
ability to file IFR.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Hilton wrote:
Hi,

Unfortunately some folks have degraded the initial thread to some political
rambling, so I figured I'd post this to a new thread.

As I predicted:
1. "non-instrument rated private pilot"
2. "Night instrument meteorological conditions prevailed"
3. "a flight plan was not filed for the cross-country flight"
4. "As the airplane proceeded east from the departure airport, the pilot
reported that he was having trouble maintaining outside visual contact and
controlling the airplane and wanted help getting back to the airport."

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...27X02016&key=1

I am a CFI-I and I wouldn't have taken my wife and two kids up on that
flight in those conditions.

I certainly would have in my Mooney but I'd have gone IFR. Of course I
know that there are a few on this list that consider single engine
planes far too dangerous for IFR.

-Robert, CFI

Neither would I.

One wonders what was so pressing that he just had to go at this time. I
am sure he did not just wake up that morning and say to himself, "Today
I am going to kill myself and my whole family." Well, reasonably sure,
anyway. Maybe that is exactly what he did.