ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine

Thirty hours and no x-c training? Will this guy live long enough to get
his ticket at this rate?

I used to think the same thing, but nowadays I seem to meet a fair number of
student pilots who haven't even soloed by 25 hours. Fragmented training is
a HUGE waste of time and money, in the long run.

Incidentally, according to the article the student *has* stuck with his
training, which is a tribute to his resiliency, IMHO. (I've known pilots
who quit flying for less.)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Yessssss.... More regulations. More draconian enforcement. Listen bub,
weekly testing and the death penalty wouldn't prevent this **** from ever
happening. The root cause rests in stupidity; which is incurable.

Amen, brother.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

To be fair, we didn't get the intercepting pilots' stories.

Actually, the article mentions that one of the F-16 pilots was quoted as
saying that "They knew the C-150 wasn't a threat" -- which is why
(apparently) they didn't shoot him down.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Yessssss.... More regulations. More draconian enforcement. Listen bub,
weekly testing and the death penalty wouldn't prevent this **** from ever
happening. The root cause rests in stupidity; which is incurable.

Amen, brother.
--

Unfortunately that is correct. The FAA can mandate all the black
boxes that can be imagined at huge cost to GA or comercial pilots but
at the end of the day human failure will continue to be a major cause
of aircraft accidents, incidents and fatalities.

Ron Lee

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:42:57 GMT, Jose
wrote in : :

Because in my experience the FBO's insurance requires a current
medical certificate and BFR for coverage.

That may let the insurance company off the hook (though maybe not).
However, how does that place -blame- on the FBO?


Apparently, the matter is moot in this instance, as others have
reported the PIC did not rent the aircraft.

However, renting an aircraft to an unqualified pilot would seem
irresponsible.

"Jack" wrote in message
m...
Gary Drescher wrote:

The passenger was manipulating the controls, yes. But that in no way
places any navigational responsibility on him--especially since his
cross-country training hadn't even begun yet.

Thirty hours and no x-c training? Will this guy live long enough to get
his ticket at this rate?

I did my first x-c training at 26 hours, and my first x-c solo at 47 hours
(that's close to the average around here). Start to finish, my private-pilot
training took four months (flying 3 times a week), so life expectancy
doesn't appear to be an issue.

--Gary

However, renting an aircraft to an unqualified pilot would seem
irresponsible.

Yes, but how much checking would you expect or tolerate. Would you
expect the FBO to examine your license, medical, and logbook before
every flight? Would you expect them to rent to you for a one week trip
if you would be out of passenger currency halfway through that week?

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
m...
However, renting an aircraft to an unqualified pilot would seem
irresponsible.

Yes, but how much checking would you expect or tolerate. Would you expect
the FBO to examine your license, medical, and logbook before every flight?
Would you expect them to rent to you for a one week trip if you would be
out of passenger currency halfway through that week?

Jose
--


I would think that their insurance carrier would expect the FBO to have some
system in place to assure that the people they rent to are legal and
qualified to fly the aircraft that are being rented. I further believe that
a jury in a liability case would be easily led to think the same.

I would think that their insurance carrier would expect the FBO to have some
system in place to assure that the people they rent to are legal and
qualified to fly the aircraft that are being rented.

Agreed. The question is how intrusive that system ought to be. It
would be simple to subvert anything that's not intrusive. OTOH I've run
into places that want a copy of my driver license, pilot certificate,
medical certificate, logbook, and my SSN before renting.

Jose
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Jack wrote:

Thirty hours and no x-c training?

Yes. That's been typical for at least 15 years.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.