Pop-up IFR from Clearance Delivery

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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As was the original poster, in the material you clipped.


Better read it again. He's airborne.

Let me clarify the question. On a VFR training flight, we encountered
unforecasted ceilings of about 1500'. So we landed at a nearby
uncontrolled airport. There is no RCO to FSS. In order to call FSS we
would have to taxi to the ramp, shutdown and find a telephone. But
there was a remote communication outlet to the nearby class C
clearance delivery. So we decided to call them instead. They asked me
to file with FSS or call them (Approach) when airborne. So we departed
VFR and got our clearance. My question is, why could't the clearance
delivery guy give us the same clearance? I realize that the proper
procedure is to file with FSS, but what prevents CD from giving a
pop-up clearance?



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net...
"John Clonts" wrote in message
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As was the original poster, in the material you clipped.


Better read it again. He's airborne.

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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Let me clarify the question. On a VFR training flight, we encountered
unforecasted ceilings of about 1500'. So we landed at a nearby
uncontrolled airport. There is no RCO to FSS. In order to call FSS we
would have to taxi to the ramp, shutdown and find a telephone. But
there was a remote communication outlet to the nearby class C
clearance delivery. So we decided to call them instead. They asked me
to file with FSS or call them (Approach) when airborne. So we departed
VFR and got our clearance. My question is, why could't the clearance
delivery guy give us the same clearance? I realize that the proper
procedure is to file with FSS, but what prevents CD from giving a
pop-up clearance?

I know that it is possible for CD to give an IFR clearance (even without the
flight plan already on file). I think Steve may be saying that in such a
scenario, they don't refer to it as a "pop-up", because you're not actually
in flight at the time. But I know that other pilots I talk to would refer
to it as a pop-up just like you did. And I don't think "pop-up" is an
official term anyway.

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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Let me clarify the question. On a VFR training flight, we encountered
unforecasted ceilings of about 1500'. So we landed at a nearby
uncontrolled airport. There is no RCO to FSS. In order to call FSS we
would have to taxi to the ramp, shutdown and find a telephone. But
there was a remote communication outlet to the nearby class C
clearance delivery. So we decided to call them instead. They asked me
to file with FSS or call them (Approach) when airborne. So we departed
VFR and got our clearance. My question is, why could't the clearance
delivery guy give us the same clearance?


They could, they chose not to.



I realize that the proper
procedure is to file with FSS, but what prevents CD from giving a
pop-up clearance?


Nothing.

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
Let me clarify the question. On a VFR training flight, we encountered
unforecasted ceilings of about 1500'. So we landed at a nearby
uncontrolled airport. There is no RCO to FSS. In order to call FSS we
would have to taxi to the ramp, shutdown and find a telephone. But
there was a remote communication outlet to the nearby class C
clearance delivery. So we decided to call them instead. They asked me
to file with FSS or call them (Approach) when airborne. So we departed
VFR and got our clearance. My question is, why could't the clearance
delivery guy give us the same clearance? I realize that the proper
procedure is to file with FSS, but what prevents CD from giving a
pop-up clearance?

The same thing that prevents ground control from giving you a takeoff
clearance. He could but he is not responsible for that position.
That's why FSS says "ATC clears..." when they relay a clearance to you.
That's how you know that it wasn't FSS that actually made up the
clearance.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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As was the original poster, in the material you clipped.


Better read it again. He's airborne.



Not the way I read it:

"Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call
Approach when airborne, or file with FSS."

Andrew, could you clarify whether you meant you were referring to calling
the CD RCO from the ramp, or from the air?

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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Not the way I read it:

"Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call
Approach when airborne, or file with FSS."


How can you read "...ask me to call Approach when airborne..." to mean on
the ground?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Clonts" wrote in message
news

Not the way I read it:

"Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call
Approach when airborne, or file with FSS."


How can you read "...ask me to call Approach when airborne..." to mean on
the ground?


As Andrew clarified elsewhere, what he meant might have been more clear if
he had written:

.... So far I have found that they request "call approach once airborne"...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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Not the way I read it:

"Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call
Approach when airborne, or file with FSS."


How can you read "...ask me to call Approach when airborne..." to mean on
the ground?



He's on the ground. CD says to him: "...contact approach when airborne..."

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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He's on the ground. CD says to him: "...contact approach
when airborne..."


Interesting. A clearance delivery position that won't deliver a clearance
to an aircraft on the ground.