Shafted by the Transport Canada?

"john smith" wrote in message
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No a flight plan must be filed when crossing an international border.

No you don't.
When flying from Columbus, Ohio to Port Huron, Michigan, I overfly
Ontario to get there without filing a flight plan. I don't even talk to
anyone the whole route.

Explain why you aren't aware of this:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/pu...71/FAL/2-0.htm
"Private aircraft overflying or landing in Canada for non-commercial
purposes need not obtain prior permission; however, a flight plan must be
filed."

Common sense should tell you that what you state as fact is a bad idea. Did
you ask anyone or otherwise try to educate yourself on this issue before
taking off?

FYI, as one might suspect, it's the same in the States:

http://www.faa.gov/ats/aat/ifim/ifimcaai.htm

Especially since 9/11, and especially in the USA, a pilot is in serious ****
if they enter foreign airspace and in really deep **** if they land without
following proper procedures. How does that affect your decision making
process vis a vis some problem that doesn't absolutely require a diversion
but might suggest a prudent brief stop to check something out?

moo

Peter R. wrote:
wrote:

So, basically Canada says I didn't file a flight plan and I don't have
any way of proving that I did. Anybody have any ideas on how to
dispute this or had a similar experience? (AOPA Legal was no help.
Their only suggestion was the FOIA request.)

I would tackle as a customer/vendor relationship.

I like this idea and have found it to work very well in most situations.

Call your Congressman, this is a matter for Condi's State
Department. Tell Canada that you filed and since you had a
discrete squawk, there should be records of the radar tapes
that will show your aircraft and may indicate that it was on
a flight plan.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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| This morning I received a letter from Transport Canada
informing me I
| am being fined $250 for not filing a flight plan. I had
flown from
| Minot, ND to Regina, Canada on July 30, 2005. I had
meticulously
| planned the flight using the AOPA webpage on the subject
(got all the
| radio station permits, customs decal, etc.). I am
absolutely sure that
| I had filed and activated a VFR flight plan for that
flight. I had a
| squawk code and was getting flight following, but when I
landed in
| Canada the FSS couldn't find my flight plan to close it.
I was
| informed of the investigation by a phone call about a
month after the
| flight. Conveniently for Transport Canada, Minot ATC
erases their
| tapes after two weeks according to the manager of the
Minot FSS. I
| submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to
the Great
| Lakes Regional FSS as soon as I heard of the investigation
in September
| 2005. As expected, Great Lakes said they don't keep
records long
| enough to fill my request. BTW, they were terrible to
deal with. The
| FOIA woman never answers her phone and never returned any
of my calls.
| The only response from Great Lakes FSS was a letter in
February 2006
| saying they no longer had records for that time period.
|
| So, basically Canada says I didn't file a flight plan and
I don't have
| any way of proving that I did. Anybody have any ideas on
how to
| dispute this or had a similar experience? (AOPA Legal was
no help.
| Their only suggestion was the FOIA request.)
|
| Thanks,
| Bob
|

Write a letter stating that you filed a flight plan. Then tell them they
waited to long and the tapes had already been erased. Then tell them you
will consider the case closed and any further response will be done through
your lawyer. Tell them if it goes to court you will go after all fee's.
There is no way they can prove you didnt file.
If they respond just keep sending letters with the same thing, then send
them a bill. I bet they eventually get tired of dealing with it and just
drop it.
Have fun with it, and dont fly to Canada.

There is no way they can prove you didnt file.

In Canada are you innocent until proven guilty, or is there a
presumption of guilt attached to an official accusation?

Jose
--
Nothing takes longer than a shortcut.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Is this AOPA webpage where you 'filed' it? If so do they say it can be
used for cross border flights?

I believe you did plan it, file it and I am willing to believe you
opened it. And, that atc gave you a squawk. What I really think
happened, perhaps, is some guy somewhere, meant to open it, and let it
loose in the system, but got distracted.

Perhaps if you appealed on this basis. It could have bad consequences
for your insurance premiums if you own.

Some times a person can do everything proper and still......I thought it
only happens to me.





wrote:
This morning I received a letter from Transport Canada informing me I
am being fined $250 for not filing a flight plan. I had flown from
Minot, ND to Regina, Canada on July 30, 2005. I had meticulously
planned the flight using the AOPA webpage on the subject (got all the
radio station permits, customs decal, etc.). I am absolutely sure that
I had filed and activated a VFR flight plan for that flight. I had a
squawk code and was getting flight following, but when I landed in
Canada the FSS couldn't find my flight plan to close it. I was
informed of the investigation by a phone call about a month after the
flight. Conveniently for Transport Canada, Minot ATC erases their
tapes after two weeks according to the manager of the Minot FSS. I
submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the Great
Lakes Regional FSS as soon as I heard of the investigation in September
2005. As expected, Great Lakes said they don't keep records long
enough to fill my request. BTW, they were terrible to deal with. The
FOIA woman never answers her phone and never returned any of my calls.
The only response from Great Lakes FSS was a letter in February 2006
saying they no longer had records for that time period.

So, basically Canada says I didn't file a flight plan and I don't have
any way of proving that I did. Anybody have any ideas on how to
dispute this or had a similar experience? (AOPA Legal was no help.
Their only suggestion was the FOIA request.)

Thanks,
Bob

Look at the bright side... $250.00 US is only $197.50 Canadian...

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ TYQ

wrote:

This morning I received a letter from Transport Canada informing me I
am being fined $250 for not filing a flight plan. I had flown from
Minot, ND to Regina, Canada on July 30, 2005. I had meticulously
planned the flight using the AOPA webpage on the subject (got all the
radio station permits, customs decal, etc.). I am absolutely sure that
I had filed and activated a VFR flight plan for that flight. I had a
squawk code and was getting flight following, but when I landed in
Canada the FSS couldn't find my flight plan to close it. I was
informed of the investigation by a phone call about a month after the
flight. Conveniently for Transport Canada, Minot ATC erases their
tapes after two weeks according to the manager of the Minot FSS. I
submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the Great
Lakes Regional FSS as soon as I heard of the investigation in September
2005. As expected, Great Lakes said they don't keep records long
enough to fill my request. BTW, they were terrible to deal with. The
FOIA woman never answers her phone and never returned any of my calls.
The only response from Great Lakes FSS was a letter in February 2006
saying they no longer had records for that time period.

So, basically Canada says I didn't file a flight plan and I don't have
any way of proving that I did. Anybody have any ideas on how to
dispute this or had a similar experience? (AOPA Legal was no help.
Their only suggestion was the FOIA request.)

Thanks,
Bob

Jon Kraus wrote:

Look at the bright side... $250.00 Canadian is only $197.50 US...

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ TYQ

wrote:

This morning I received a letter from Transport Canada informing me I
am being fined $250 for not filing a flight plan. I had flown from
Minot, ND to Regina, Canada on July 30, 2005. I had meticulously
planned the flight using the AOPA webpage on the subject (got all the
radio station permits, customs decal, etc.). I am absolutely sure that
I had filed and activated a VFR flight plan for that flight. I had a
squawk code and was getting flight following, but when I landed in
Canada the FSS couldn't find my flight plan to close it. I was
informed of the investigation by a phone call about a month after the
flight. Conveniently for Transport Canada, Minot ATC erases their
tapes after two weeks according to the manager of the Minot FSS. I
submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the Great
Lakes Regional FSS as soon as I heard of the investigation in September
2005. As expected, Great Lakes said they don't keep records long
enough to fill my request. BTW, they were terrible to deal with. The
FOIA woman never answers her phone and never returned any of my calls.
The only response from Great Lakes FSS was a letter in February 2006
saying they no longer had records for that time period.

So, basically Canada says I didn't file a flight plan and I don't have
any way of proving that I did. Anybody have any ideas on how to
dispute this or had a similar experience? (AOPA Legal was no help.
Their only suggestion was the FOIA request.)
Thanks,
Bob

I think ya went the wrong way...

Jim



"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
. ..
Look at the bright side... $250.00 US is only $197.50 Canadian...

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ TYQ

wrote:

This morning I received a letter from Transport Canada informing me I
am being fined $250 for not filing a flight plan.

wrote:

This morning I received a letter from Transport Canada informing me I
am being fined $250 for not filing a flight plan. I had flown from
Minot, ND to Regina, Canada on July 30, 2005. I had meticulously
planned the flight using the AOPA webpage on the subject (got all the
radio station permits, customs decal, etc.). I am absolutely sure that
I had filed and activated a VFR flight plan for that flight. I had a
squawk code and was getting flight following, but when I landed in
Canada the FSS couldn't find my flight plan to close it. I was
informed of the investigation by a phone call about a month after the
flight. Conveniently for Transport Canada, Minot ATC erases their
tapes after two weeks according to the manager of the Minot FSS. I
submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the Great
Lakes Regional FSS as soon as I heard of the investigation in September
2005. As expected, Great Lakes said they don't keep records long
enough to fill my request. BTW, they were terrible to deal with. The
FOIA woman never answers her phone and never returned any of my calls.
The only response from Great Lakes FSS was a letter in February 2006
saying they no longer had records for that time period.

So, basically Canada says I didn't file a flight plan and I don't have
any way of proving that I did. Anybody have any ideas on how to
dispute this or had a similar experience? (AOPA Legal was no help.
Their only suggestion was the FOIA request.)

Thanks,
Bob

Well Bob I'm sorry for you, but it doesn't sound much to me like you
are being shafted by Transport Canada more so by Minot FSS, Great Lakes
Regional FSS and the "FOIA woman" who won't answer or return your calls.
What do you expect Transport Canada to do...take your word for it ?
They have no record of your flight plan...considering the level of
service you've received from you own FSS people so far I'd speculate
that it probably wasn't passed on to NavCan...and now your own FSS
people can't/won't confirm that you actually DID file one...from
Transport Canada's perspective you NEVER DID file a flight plan...

....Ken