Riding vs Flying -- How many here ride?

"Skywise" wrote

Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light.

Here in NC, your are liable to get a bullet in your ass, or run off the
road, doing that crap. I might be one of the ones to run you off, as you
are pulling forward.

Don't do that crap. Be a little more patient.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:

"Skywise" wrote


Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light.


Here in NC, your are liable to get a bullet in your ass, or run off the
road, doing that crap. I might be one of the ones to run you off, as you
are pulling forward.

Don't do that crap. Be a little more patient.

Unfortunately, lane splitting seems frowned upon in the eastern US,
unlike in CA and parts of Europe (it seems popular and accepted in
France anyway). Personally, I think it is a great idea and would
encourage more motorcycle use and less fuel consumption. In Taiwan they
even had special "boxes" paintd on the roads at the intersections to
allow the scooters to move to the front and "stage" for the green light.

I think it is both illegal as well as frowned on in PA as well. The
difference here though is that if you shoot at a motorcyclist odds are
they, and several friends, will shoot back.

Matt

"Morgans" wrote in :


"Skywise" wrote

Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light.

Here in NC, your are liable to get a bullet in your ass, or run off the
road, doing that crap. I might be one of the ones to run you off, as you
are pulling forward.

Don't do that crap. Be a little more patient.

And it's ass holes on the road like you who have forced me
to take the measures I do. You are a perfect example of
"The Problem".

Brian
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Morgans wrote:

Here in NC, your are liable to get a bullet in your ass, or run off the
road, doing that crap. I might be one of the ones to run you off, as you
are pulling forward.

Interesting. As one who moved to NC last year (from CA, after 30+ years
there), I find the traffic here pretty relaxed in comparison. The
percentage of combative types is way lower (though they do exist). I do
think that the overall driver skill level is lower here - and I do see
a lot of really stupid accidents in NC (like totally avoidable by
anyone on the ball). One thing I find highly amusing is that, whenever
a few snowflakes fall in the winter, they close the schools and just
about averybody disappears.

I had a direct comparison recently - spent a few days in the LA basin
on business. It was definitely life in the fast lane again (complete
with road rage encounters).

BTW - to answer the original questions, yes and yes. I started flying
in 1967 and bought my first bike in 1970 (would have done so sooner but
for parental opposition, not to mention lack of funding). Have been
doing both more or less continuously since.

David Johnson

Skywise wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in news:1151811765.345086.45160
@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:


I now take active, positive, and if necessary, aggressive
control of my driving situation. If I sense even the
slightest hint of danger (the list of hints is huge),
then I do something to remove that danger from my presense.
I now have the attitude on the road that I *DO* own it
and to hell with everybody else and to hell with the
laws.

I agree with you...to a point.

There are many, MANY hints of impending danger when riding, and many
little tricks that I've learned to spot it well in advance.


Yes, and although one could write them all down for others
to memorize, experience is the best teacher.

I agree, but I also accept that there are some situations that you just
can't anticipate and avoid. That is just something that we who ride and
fly have to accept.


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in news:%EPpg.131$Pa.18143
@news1.epix.net:

Skywise wrote:
Snipola

Yes, and although one could write them all down for others
to memorize, experience is the best teacher.

I agree, but I also accept that there are some situations that you just
can't anticipate and avoid. That is just something that we who ride and
fly have to accept.

I'm reminded of somethign Donald Rumsfled said about intelligence.
He said there's three kind's of intelligence (information). There's
what you know you know, what you know you don't know, and what you
don't know that you don't know. It's the third one that causes the
problems.

I've also heard it said many times by my father who was a truck
driver and DOT certified safety officer for his company, "Always
prepare for the unexpected."

Brian
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"Skywise" wrote in message

Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light. ........The upshot is that
I am only near other vehicles when they aren't moving.

And every time you pull that sort of stunt, you leave in your wake 50-100
car drivers highly ****ed at the next motorcycles they encounter. That's
high school crap, and has no place in the repertoire of a responsible
driver.

John Gaquin wrote:

"Skywise" wrote in message

Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light. ........The upshot is that
I am only near other vehicles when they aren't moving.


And every time you pull that sort of stunt, you leave in your wake 50-100
car drivers highly ****ed at the next motorcycles they encounter. That's
high school crap, and has no place in the repertoire of a responsible
driver.

Baloney. It is simply a good idea that hasn't yet come to fruition in
many places in the US. Encouraging motorcycle riding by allowing lane
splitting is at least as good an idea as having bus and car pool lanes.
People should be rewarded for saving fuel, especially when it doesn't
harm others. Allowing motorcycles to lane split doesn't really have any
significant adverse impact on the cars stuck in the line so what is the
harm assuming it is done prudently and safely? I'm not talking about
riding 60 MPH between a closely spaced line of cars, but most
interstates provide at least 6' between cars and that is plenty for a
motorcyle to ride in at 15-20 MPH.


Matt

On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:28:12 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"Skywise" wrote in message

Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light. ........The upshot is that
I am only near other vehicles when they aren't moving.

And every time you pull that sort of stunt, you leave in your wake 50-100
car drivers highly ****ed at the next motorcycles they encounter. That's
high school crap, and has no place in the repertoire of a responsible
driver.


But isn't the reason those drivers get upset is because they are
impatient, in a hurry and jealous that the motorcyclist is now ahead
of them? Too many automobile drivers are in such a hurry. A typical
traffic light will only delay you, at the most, by 60 seconds. There
are exceptions but usually it doesn't take longer than that and the
driver is on his way again. I always wonder...what's the rush these
days?

"John Gaquin" wrote in
:


"Skywise" wrote in message

Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light. ........The upshot is that
I am only near other vehicles when they aren't moving.

And every time you pull that sort of stunt, you leave in your wake 50-100
car drivers highly ****ed at the next motorcycles they encounter. That's
high school crap, and has no place in the repertoire of a responsible
driver.

I said it to Morgans, and I'll say it here. It's because of
ass holes on the road that get ****ed at other drivers for
nothing that have caused me to do what I do.

Believe me, I was starting to go down that road myself. I was
starting to take off people's mirrors and kick their doors
whenever I was slighted on the road. Would you rather I go
back to doing that instead of driving the way I do now? hmmmm?

Brian
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