Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:

Andrew Venor wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
Jordan wrote:
Dean A. Markley wrote:
Israel need not hit Damascus. All they need do is hit Assad's house
near Latakia with a 2000 lb bomb.
True. The advantage of hitting Damascus, though, especially if it's
repeated and especially if collateral damage kills some rich Damascene
civilians, is that it brings home to Syria that there could be a _big_
personal cost, felt by the Syrian ruling elite, for supporting attacks
on Israel. Heck, I think that Israel should _target_ Assad, and then
others in the Syrian leadership, in the hopes of making that country
collapse into civil war as the hyena-like survivors struggle for
supremacy.
The Syrian elite has spent a good deal of the last few decades causing
chaos in Lebanon and death everywhere abroad. Let them have a taste of
what it's like, at home. Couldn't happen to a nicer buncha guys

Don't you think it would help its international position for
Israel to end its occupation of southern Syria before making demands
on Syria? It has been well known for year in Israel, right from Moshe
Dayan, that it provoked Syria into defending itself during the 1967
war solely for the purpose of stealing the Syrian Heights.

Do you mean the Golan Heights, where the Syrian Army had been firing
artillery down on Israeli civilians for the eighteen years preceding the
1967 war?

Actually I was refering to the shelling of Israelis who were living on stolen
Syrian land fronting the Sea of Galilee. Syria certainly has a right to shell
its own territory

I have similarly suggested Syria lease the Heights to Iran as a down range
missile test range.

If there was a dispute over the land in question then it could certainly have
been put to international arbitration.

In any event, despite the Israeli propaganda, Moshe Dayan give the real and
only reason for provoking Syria. To steal the land. That is what he said. It has
been confirmed by his daughter.

It was this revelation which shot down the Israeli propaganda. The propaganda
has been discredited. There is no point in trying to resurrect it today.

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Matt Giwer wrote:

Andrew Venor wrote:

Matt Giwer wrote:

Jordan wrote:

Dean A. Markley wrote:

Israel need not hit Damascus. All they need do is hit Assad's house
near Latakia with a 2000 lb bomb.

True. The advantage of hitting Damascus, though, especially if it's
repeated and especially if collateral damage kills some rich Damascene
civilians, is that it brings home to Syria that there could be a _big_
personal cost, felt by the Syrian ruling elite, for supporting attacks
on Israel. Heck, I think that Israel should _target_ Assad, and then
others in the Syrian leadership, in the hopes of making that country
collapse into civil war as the hyena-like survivors struggle for
supremacy.
The Syrian elite has spent a good deal of the last few decades causing
chaos in Lebanon and death everywhere abroad. Let them have a taste of
what it's like, at home. Couldn't happen to a nicer buncha guys


Don't you think it would help its international position for
Israel to end its occupation of southern Syria before making demands
on Syria? It has been well known for year in Israel, right from Moshe
Dayan, that it provoked Syria into defending itself during the 1967
war solely for the purpose of stealing the Syrian Heights.


Do you mean the Golan Heights, where the Syrian Army had been firing
artillery down on Israeli civilians for the eighteen years preceding
the 1967 war?


Actually I was refering to the shelling of Israelis who were living
on stolen Syrian land fronting the Sea of Galilee. Syria certainly has a
right to shell its own territory

I have similarly suggested Syria lease the Heights to Iran as a down
range missile test range.

If there was a dispute over the land in question then it could
certainly have been put to international arbitration.

In any event, despite the Israeli propaganda, Moshe Dayan give the
real and only reason for provoking Syria. To steal the land. That is
what he said. It has been confirmed by his daughter.

It was this revelation which shot down the Israeli propaganda. The
propaganda has been discredited. There is no point in trying to
resurrect it today.


Ignoring inconvenient facts like the eighteen years of Syrian artillery
raining down from the Golan Heights on Israeli civilians just because it
doesn't fit your anti-Semitic view of the world tells us all we need to
know about what kind of person you are.

To quote the late American Ambassador and Senator Daniel Patrick
Moynihan, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not
entitled to their own facts."

I don't know how you got out of my kill file, but your going right back in.

ALV

Andrew Venor wrote:
Ignoring inconvenient facts like the eighteen years of Syrian artillery
raining down from the Golan Heights on Israeli civilians just because it
doesn't fit your anti-Semitic view of the world tells us all we need to
know about what kind of person you are.

Oh, no, Matt doesn't _ignore_ it. He _celebrates_ it. He believes
that Israel is so inherently illegitimate as a nation that any and all
Arabs have the right to kill Israelis whenever they want to, for no
provocation other than Israel's own existence.

He's said so explicitly, more than once.

The thing that we should all be aware of is that this is _also_ the
official POV of pretty much every Arab country, even the so-called
"moderate" ones. It's what they teach in their schools, it's what they
grow up believing, and it's why Israel has to retain its defenses and
eschew liberal goodwill in its foreign policy if Israel is to survive.

Sincerely Yours,
Jordan

Andrew Venor wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:

Andrew Venor wrote:

Matt Giwer wrote:

Jordan wrote:

Dean A. Markley wrote:

Israel need not hit Damascus. All they need do is hit Assad's house
near Latakia with a 2000 lb bomb.


True. The advantage of hitting Damascus, though, especially if it's
repeated and especially if collateral damage kills some rich Damascene
civilians, is that it brings home to Syria that there could be a _big_
personal cost, felt by the Syrian ruling elite, for supporting attacks
on Israel. Heck, I think that Israel should _target_ Assad, and then
others in the Syrian leadership, in the hopes of making that country
collapse into civil war as the hyena-like survivors struggle for
supremacy.
The Syrian elite has spent a good deal of the last few decades causing
chaos in Lebanon and death everywhere abroad. Let them have a
taste of
what it's like, at home. Couldn't happen to a nicer buncha guys



Don't you think it would help its international position for
Israel to end its occupation of southern Syria before making demands
on Syria? It has been well known for year in Israel, right from
Moshe Dayan, that it provoked Syria into defending itself during the
1967 war solely for the purpose of stealing the Syrian Heights.



Do you mean the Golan Heights, where the Syrian Army had been firing
artillery down on Israeli civilians for the eighteen years preceding
the 1967 war?

Actually I was refering to the shelling of Israelis who were
living on stolen Syrian land fronting the Sea of Galilee. Syria
certainly has a right to shell its own territory

I have similarly suggested Syria lease the Heights to Iran as a
down range missile test range.

If there was a dispute over the land in question then it could
certainly have been put to international arbitration.

In any event, despite the Israeli propaganda, Moshe Dayan give the
real and only reason for provoking Syria. To steal the land. That is
what he said. It has been confirmed by his daughter.

It was this revelation which shot down the Israeli propaganda. The
propaganda has been discredited. There is no point in trying to
resurrect it today.

Ignoring

Ignoring Moshe Dayan is truly incredible.

inconvenient facts like the eighteen years of Syrian artillery
raining down from the Golan Heights on Israeli civilians

If Israel was permitting its citizens to live on occupied Syrian territory that
means they committed a hanging offense as per the Nuremberg Tribunal. It is
crime against humanity.

And the civilians living on occupied Syrian land was also criminals as are
those today who are living on the Syrian Heights, in the West Bank and in East
Jerusalem. It is occupied territory. Both Israel's Attorney General and the
Chief Justice of Israel's Supreme Court agree they are occuppied territories.
That makes the squatters and those who permit them to squat are war criminals.

It is also the right of any country to attack anyone encroaching on its
sovereign territory. Even without pointing out the squatters were criminals it
is obvious they were choosing to put their lives in danger and Syria had every
right to use deadly force to drive foreigners out of Syrian territory. Syria has
no fewer rights because Zionists wanted to steal their land.

just because it
doesn't fit your anti-Semitic view of the world tells us all we need to
know about what kind of person you are.

The truth cannot be anti-semitic. Settling citizens on occupied territory is a
crime against humanity as per Nuremberg. It is also designated a war crime in
post war treaties and conventions Israel has signed.

You cannot justify a war crime no matter how hard you try.

To quote the late American Ambassador and Senator Daniel Patrick
Moynihan, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not
entitled to their own facts."

And the facts are Moshe Dayan gave the only reason for picking a fight with
Syria during the 1967 war. And that also shows Israel was never in danger during
the 67 war giving the lie to another piece of Israeli propaganda.

I don't know how you got out of my kill file, but your going right back in.

That will save me a lot of time setting you straight on the designated war
crimes in this world and who is committing them.

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Matt Giwer wrote in
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Do you mean the Golan Heights, where the Syrian Army had been firing
artillery down on Israeli civilians for the eighteen years preceding
the 1967 war?

Actually I was refering to the shelling of Israelis who were living
on stolen
Syrian land fronting the Sea of Galilee. Syria certainly has a right to
shell its own territory

Israel begs to differ and they are able to enforce their
preferences directly.

I have similarly suggested Syria lease the Heights to Iran as a
down range
missile test range.

And Israel could make Damascus the target area for an artillery
range. Its that close. Wouldn't be a whole lot the Syrians could do
about that.
Not to mention that having Iranian rockets overflying Iraq might have
other consequences..

If there was a dispute over the land in question then it could
certainly have
been put to international arbitration.

The Israelis aren't likely to agree to that things being the way
they are.

In any event, despite the Israeli propaganda, Moshe Dayan give the
real and
only reason for provoking Syria. To steal the land. That is what he
said. It has been confirmed by his daughter.

Yeah right.

It was this revelation which shot down the Israeli propaganda. The
propaganda
has been discredited. There is no point in trying to resurrect it today.

Jeeez, Fugginazi revisionist history, gotta love it.

IBM

Andrew Venor wrote in news:n7Odnc_YqKX4gzrZnZ2dnUVZ_o-
:

[snip]

Do you mean the Golan Heights, where the Syrian Army had been firing
artillery down on Israeli civilians for the eighteen years preceding the
1967 war?

Nah, couldn't be.
Must be some other Golan Heights.
Yeah, thats the ticket....

IBM

Matt Giwer wrote:
Jordan wrote:
Don't you think it would help its international position for Israel to end its
occupation of southern Syria before making demands on Syria?

No. I think it would help its international position for Israel to
_annex_ the Golan Heights and then reply to all questions about their
future disposition with "They're Israeli national territory. What are
you offering us to purchase them?"

This is also how Israel should have dealt with the issues of the West
Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip.

It has been well
known for year in Israel, right from Moshe Dayan, that it provoked Syria into
defending itself during the 1967 war solely for the purpose of stealing the
Syrian Heights.

LOL!!! And the Israelis used their magic mind control rays to force
the Arab commanders into massing their air and armor for an attack?

- Jordan

Jordan wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
Jordan wrote:
Don't you think it would help its international position for Israel to end its
occupation of southern Syria before making demands on Syria?

No. I think it would help its international position for Israel to
_annex_ the Golan Heights and then reply to all questions about their
future disposition with "They're Israeli national territory. What are
you offering us to purchase them?"

Formal annexation would be a hanging offense as a crime against humanity was it
was found to be at Nuremberg.

This is also how Israel should have dealt with the issues of the West
Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip.

How would committing additional crimes against humanity have been a benefit?

It has been well
known for year in Israel, right from Moshe Dayan, that it provoked Syria into
defending itself during the 1967 war solely for the purpose of stealing the
Syrian Heights.

LOL!!! And the Israelis used their magic mind control rays to force
the Arab commanders into massing their air and armor for an attack?

You disagree with Moshe Dayan in his specfic statement as to the cause of the
fight against Syria during the 1967 war. I am certain you have more knowledge of
events than he did in your dreams. That is what he said and his daughter
confirmed it.

That is what really happened from the lips of the man who was in the best
position to know what really happened. Izziehugger propaganda has no standing in
this matter.

Dayan said letting the farmers encroach on the Heights was one of the two
greatest mistakes in his career because it lead to the occupation of Syria and
the impossibility of making peace. The other great mistake was letting Jews into
Hebron for a passover because they never left and required the domination of an
entire city for the sake of a few fanatics.

Been there, done that, I got the facts right from the best Israeli sources
available. You have only propaganda.

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"Jordan" wrote in message
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No. I think it would help its international position for Israel to
_annex_ the Golan Heights and then reply to all questions about their
future disposition with "They're Israeli national territory. What are
you offering us to purchase them?"

This is also how Israel should have dealt with the issues of the West
Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip.

What would your do with the four million
people living there?
Mass expulsion? To where?
Keep them as a permanent underclass?
Give them the franchise?
Do you have final solution in mind?

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"Jordan" wrote in message
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No. I think it would help its international position for Israel to
_annex_ the Golan Heights and then reply to all questions about their
future disposition with "They're Israeli national territory. What are
you offering us to purchase them?"

This is also how Israel should have dealt with the issues of the West
Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip.

What would your do with the four million
people living there?
Mass expulsion? To where?

Shove them over the borders to the Arab states who so love them that
they are willing to use them as a permanent causis belli against
Israel. I'm sure that they would be well-treated by their Arab
brethren.

And if not, at least they wouldn't be Israel's concern any more. There
would be an international outcry, sanctions would be demanded, nothing
would happen, and in a few years they'd be as forgotten as the few
million Germans pushed out of the territories Poland annexed in 1945 --
in the middle of war and a terrible winter.

Sincerely Yours,
Jordan