McCain in '08

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
news:fnctg.6780

Character assassination is not a sole tactic of the left wing. The combat
service records of Murtha, Kerry and McCain were all attacked by the
right.

They were? Have any examples?

You've already suggested that the Swift Boat thing wasn't
politically-motivated, which is ludicrous because it only came about when
Kerry became a leading candidate in the Presidential race. But, a
three-minute websearch yields plenty of examples:

[1]

"Rep. Jean Schmidt flung the word "coward" at a decorated war veteran from
Pennsylvania last week, but the Ohio Republican's comments landed with a
splat in her own Cincinnati district, where some supporters are backing away
as she scrambles to explain what she meant."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...112201699.html

[2]

"Summary: Rush Limbaugh twice falsely claimed that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)
had "admitted that torture worked on him" during his five years as a
prisoner of war in North Vietnam.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200512090006 [There's even VIDEO.]

[3]
Keating describes in detail how, in 1992, Sampley commenced a "scurrilous"
crusade to punish McCain:

"Sampley ... accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped
death by collaborating with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first
been compromised by the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets.

"To those who know McCain and are familiar with his behavior in captivity,
the charge is ludicrous. McCain resisted his captors to such a degree that
he was isolated in a special prison for troublemakers. He repeatedly refused
special favors, including early release, and emerged as a spiritual and
religious leader for other prisoners. Nonetheless, Sampley was persistent
enough in his claims that the press in McCain's home state of Arizona picked
up on the KGB story."

In 1992, Sampley wrote a long article that portrayed McCain as a "Manchurian
candidate," who had betrayed America to the North Vietnamese and then
enlisted as a secret Communist agent . But it wasn't until seven years later
that the celebrated Navy pilot and ex-POW found out how much damage such
smears could inflict. After McCain declared his presidential candidacy in
1999, Sampley revived the "Manchurian candidate" smear as a convenient
weapon for the Senator's political enemies.
http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/c...ear/index.html

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"gatt" wrote in message
...

Character assassination is not a sole tactic of the left wing. The combat
service records of Murtha, Kerry and McCain were all attacked by the
right.

They were? Have any examples?

This would be funny if you weren't serious (I had to check to be sure)
.. . .

Kerry: Well, besides the commercials on TV and countless appearances on
talk shows, there's that book -- Unfit for Command -- and a significant
portion of it is dedicated to a shameless misrepresentation of Kerry's
service.

And please don't try to tell me it wasn't politically motivated or that
those guys didn't overwhelmingly represent the right side of our
political spectrum.

McCain: One only has to look at the 2000 Republican Primary in general,
and the SC Primary in particular. That was certainly a disgusting
display.

Murtha: I assume you read the newspapers and the net "news". The attack
on his service record is right out of the Swift Boat Veterans for
"truth" playbook.

Doug Reese

gatt wrote:

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
I admire McCain for his service to the country. I dislike Boyer for his
dis-service to the country.

At least you didn't go on a whacko left wing character assination track,
like certain of the lefties out west...

Character assassination is not a sole tactic of the left wing. The combat
service records of Murtha, Kerry and McCain were all attacked by the right.
I value the integrity of my own political standards which is why I was also
royally ****ed when -some- of the left was accusing GHWB of cowardice for
bailing out of his aircraft.

It's a cheap shot; accusing somebody of cowardice in combat during a life or
death struggle in which the accuser was never close to any similar
situation. Unfortunately, it's a tactic employed by contemptable and
embarrassing elements of both the left -and- right.

We admire Kerry's four (4) months that he served in theatre in Vietnam. But
that is not relevant to his political positions today, or the lack of any
accomplishments in 20 years as a Senator, plus his time spent (not much else we
can say about it is there?) as Mike Dukakis's lieutenant governor.

"Owen Hiller" wrote in message
...

We admire Kerry's four (4) months that he served in theatre in Vietnam.
But
that is not relevant to his political positions today,

Here's another.

"I'm wondering if McCain's been taken prisoner and being held as a POW by
the Kerry camp, in the Kerry Hilton, somewhere in the basement of the
C." -Rush Limbaugh http://mediamatters.org/items/200409100006

Rush Limbaugh's service to America isn't worth two cold turds in a toilet
bowl. For him to make a joke about a POW is outrageous. Limbaugh never
looked into the eyes of a loved one struggling with some unimaginable
rememberance coming at him from the dark place where old warriors attempt to
contain such things.

If he did, he would understand that making a joke about somebody's Prisoner
of War experience is rather like making a joke about a warrior watching his
comrades die.

-c

In article
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"Skylune" wrote:

I admire McCain for his service to the country. I dislike Boyer for his
dis-service to the country.

At least you didn't go on a whacko left wing character assination track,
like certain of the lefties out west...

You just dislike Boyer for breaking with your preconceived notions about
GA. Boyer may have his faults, but lying is not one of them.

by Orval Fairbairn Jul 12, 2006 at 05:43 PM



You just dislike Boyer for breaking with your preconceived notions about
GA. Boyer may have his faults, but lying is not one of them.



No. He confirmed my notions, which were conceived by my own personal
experiences prior to having even heard of Boyer or the AOPA.

On lying: I agree with Senator McCain, but I won't quibble about whether
intentional distortion or making statements based on partial or biased
info (which Boyer does regularly) constitutes a lie. I happen to think
McCain was being diplomatic, but it is clear that he (correctly) sees
Boyer as a man with zero integrity.

McCain no, never... He is not trustworthy.



"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
| The Flyer: Last year you blocked AOPA President Phil
Boyer's nomination to
| the FAA Management Advisory Council, leaving GA pilots and
aircraft owners
| without a voice on the council. Why did you do that?
|
| "Senator McCain: As head of the Aircraft Owners and Pilots
Association,
| Mr. Boyer and I have had several spirited debates
regarding my position
| that corporate aircraft, along with airlines, should pay
user fees to
| reflect their use of the air traffic control system.
Although I do not
| understand it in this case, I certainly respect a genuine
disagreement on
| the merits of this issue. What I cannot respect, and the
kind of attitude
| that I believe would be a disservice to the FAA
administrator, is Mr.
| Boyer's unwillingness to characterize my position
correctly or to
| acknowledge that he misrepresented my position in the
past.
|
| For example, an AOPA press release issued after Mr.
Boyer's nomination
| hearing was misleading on its face. It said, "McCain
pushed the user fees
| proposal." Nowhere did this press release clarify that I
was not referring
| to the vast majority of AOPA members, who do not own
corporate jets. The
| distinction is obviously critical to our exchange at the
hearing. The
| press release and certain Internet postings have left many
AOPA members in
| the dark regarding key aspects of my views. I think that
it is the
| responsibility of the head of an organization such as AOPA
to fully inform
| its members when it comes to an important aviation policy
matter.
|
| In answering a post-hearing question, Mr. Boyer said that
he, and I quote,
| "regret(s) the chairman feels as though I have
misrepresented his
| position." Yet his answer again refused to acknowledge
that there is a
| difference between corporate user fees and general
aviation user fees.
| Other sectors of the industry - who are as adamantly
opposed to fees as
| AOPA is - will admit that my position has been
misrepresented. Mr. Boyer
| will not. Consequently, I question his qualification to be
a productive
| participant on the Management Advisory Council because
such a position
| calls for someone who would be able to consider even
unpopular issues in
| an honest and fair fashion."
|
|
| Well done, Senator!!! Out the liar!
|