Oshkosh Bound Posters, Approach Procedures, and Such

"Paul Tomblin" wrote

I'm looking page 1 of the NOTAM right now, and I still don't see any
mention of colours for the signs. What drugs are you on?

Try to keep up!!! g

That bit was supposedly on Jim Wier's site, from last year's arrival
procedures.
--
Jim in NC

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ...
In a previous article, ".Blueskies." said:
"john smith" wrote in message
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In article om,
"Eric Bartsch" wrote:
I've looked on the airventure site again and I still find no mention of
using colors for the signs. Can anyone who thinks colors should be

Is it in the NOTAM?


Yes, page 1 of the notam...

http://www.airventure.org/2006/flying/notam06.pdf

I'm looking page 1 of the NOTAM right now, and I still don't see any
mention of colours for the signs. What drugs are you on?




Sorry, page one has the current sign codes, but not colors required (or even mentioned). I suffered from thread
overload...

..Blueskies. wrote:
"john smith" wrote in message
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In article om,
"Eric Bartsch" wrote:

I've looked on the airventure site again and I still find no mention of
using colors for the signs. Can anyone who thinks colors should be
used, send a reference to where those instructions come from? I recall
seeing people using colored signs in the past but couldn't find
anything relevant to this year...

Is it in the NOTAM?


Yes, page 1 of the notam...

http://www.airventure.org/2006/flying/notam06.pdf

Ok, I hate to be a pain in the a** about this, but I had read the
airventure site and the NOTAM multiple times prior to my initial
posting and there is nothing I can find about colored signs. If I'm
missing something then I'd really appreciate someone giving specific
information on where this information is.

I've included the text from the NOTAM page 1:
http://www.airventure.org/2006/flying/notam06.pdf

"Pilots landing at OSH should have a sign to designate
their intended parking or camping area. The
sign should have large dark letters readable from at
least fifty feet. It can be hand made or printed from
www.airventure.org/atc/arrival_signs.html. Display
the sign in the left side of your windshield after landing
and use one of the following codes" (the pictures of the signs follow
this text)

Neither this text or the link to the online signs has anything about
colors. I could definitely be missing something, but so far I'm not
convinced that they are using anything beyond white signs with big
block letters...

Thanks,
Eric

"Eric Bartsch" wrote

Neither this text or the link to the online signs has anything about
colors. I could definitely be missing something, but so far I'm not
convinced that they are using anything beyond white signs with big
block letters...

Assuming you get on the ground safely, with a sign like you describe, you'll
be fine. No worries, mate!
--
Jim in NC

"john smith" wrote in message
...
In article om,
"Eric Bartsch" wrote:

I've looked on the airventure site again and I still find no mention of
using colors for the signs. Can anyone who thinks colors should be
used, send a reference to where those instructions come from? I recall
seeing people using colored signs in the past but couldn't find
anything relevant to this year...

Is it in the NOTAM?

All you need is on this site:
http://www.airventure.org/2006/flyin...202006%20NOTAM

Download the notam from the page.

The bit about the signs is under the "preflight planning"

For goodness sake, if you have never flown into OSH, or been there to see it
in action, or HAVE been there before, read all of the dang thing. It looks
like there are a few changes, this year.

Also, go out with a buddy and practice very slow flight, S turns to go
slower on approach, fast approaches, and spot landings.

Have your buddy at the last moment, tell you to fly it down to the middle of
the runway before touching down, or towards the end, or at the last minute,
tell you to change from putting it down at midfield, to on the numbers, and
try to shake you up.

Remember, listen to instructions from the controller, don't talk unless
absolutely necessary (or asked to reply), and fly the plane. Fly the
plane, fly the plane. Every couple of years, someone gets too slow on
final, and spins it in, with the usual deadly result.

And then, prepare for FUN!
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
Also, go out with a buddy and practice very slow flight, S turns to go
slower on approach, fast approaches, and spot landings.

One hesitancy I'd have with S-turns is when on final. If things are too
close, that's the time to plan a go around. If you're S-turning, you
might be slowing down the guy behind you and creating more problems.
IMHO, if I'm too close to the guy ahead of me, I'd rather go around.
Just my 2 cents worth...

Bottom line, everyone arriving at OSH needs to be on their game and able
to maintain altitude/heading/speed. If unable, land elsewhere. It's
really not hard, anyone who considers themselves current should be able
to do the arrival...but it's amazing to see how many folks interpret
1000 AGL and 90 kts differently.



--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane
Arrow N2104T

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

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In article ,
Jack Allison wrote:

Bottom line, everyone arriving at OSH needs to be on their game and able
to maintain altitude/heading/speed. If unable, land elsewhere. It's
really not hard, anyone who considers themselves current should be able
to do the arrival...but it's amazing to see how many folks interpret
1000 AGL and 90 kts differently.

And remember, there will be faster airplanes flying 500 feet above and
over your! Maintain YOUR altitude!

"Jack Allison" wrote

One hesitancy I'd have with S-turns is when on final. If things are too
close, that's the time to plan a go around. If you're S-turning, you
might be slowing down the guy behind you and creating more problems.
IMHO, if I'm too close to the guy ahead of me, I'd rather go around.
Just my 2 cents worth...

No argument from me, but an observation. The controllers are good at
getting the spacing, and it is usually at altitudes under 200 feet, when
things get messed up, by someone not exiting the runway when they are
supposed to, or someone not landing on the correct portion of the runway.

I've seen all kinds of things done, including s turns (if nobody is close
behind you, for you to mess up) and even 360's. Anything is fair game, if
the controllers tell you to do it, and if you feel capable. The go-arround
and saying unable if always a good way out.

Bottom line, everyone arriving at OSH needs to be on their game and able
to maintain altitude/heading/speed. If unable, land elsewhere. It's
really not hard, anyone who considers themselves current should be able
to do the arrival...but it's amazing to see how many folks interpret
1000 AGL and 90 kts differently.

Totally agree.

It is amazing to me that people with little experience, and not on their
game, think they should drop in at peak arrival times. Sometimes, it is
obvious that they have not read the notam.

I once saw someone in a taildragger RV take three times around to get it on
the ground, and even on that last time, it was forced in, and at one point,
I though for sure there was going to be a midair and a fireball.

Let's all make a wish for everyone getting there, and back home, with no
loss of life, this year. Be safe, everyone.
--
Jim in NC

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"Morgans" wrote:

Have your buddy at the last moment, tell you to fly it down to the middle of
the runway before touching down, or towards the end, or at the last minute,
tell you to change from putting it down at midfield, to on the numbers, and
try to shake you up.

"What is that idiot ahead of us doing? He's slowing down!"
"He was told to land at the far dot, he's landing on the near dot!"
"POWER! POWER! POWER!"
"GO AROUND! GO AROUND!"
(Based on a true experience!)

"What is that idiot ahead of us doing? He's slowing down!"
"He was told to land at the far dot, he's landing on the near dot!"
"POWER! POWER! POWER!"
"GO AROUND! GO AROUND!"
(Based on a true experience!)

Yep, all kinds of fun things happen at OSH -- but they usually work out
just fine.

What Jack says is absolutely true -- you've got to be on your game.
Here are a few things I've learned over the years:

1. Do NOT arrive at RIPON at the end of a 4 hour leg. Stop short, and
arrive fresh.

2. Try to arrive mid- to late-morning. Don't be the first, don't be
the last -- and it's usually too danged hot to arrive in early
afternoon. (And don't forget the airspace is closed every afternoon
for the daily airshows!)

3. Eat a good breakfast. You will be in a high-stress, very busy
situation, and you do NOT want a blood sugar crash in the middle of it.


4. Try to hit Ripon coming in from the Southwest (for example, the
course from Iowa City is perfect), so that you don't have to make
radical turns to get in line over the railroad tracks. This will make
your life MUCH easier.

5. Be prepared to hold. They've added a new holding pattern this year,
to the usual "Rush Lake" pattern, and I suspect they'll use it.
(Although last year was actually the first time we were ever sent
around the lake. We have, however, been told many times to "hold in
place" by circling over a spot on the ground, prior to reaching Ripon.)

6. This means HAVE ENOUGH FUEL. You do NOT want to find yourself out
of fuel and ideas while holding in the busiest airspace in the world.

7. Practice holding an airspeed -- please! It's 90 KNOTS, folks, and
every year we seem to get behind someone who misinterprets the NOTAM,
and flies way too slow. And it's not just Cessa 140s and Cubs
puttering along -- last year we were stuck behind a Bonana going about
80 mph, which really backed things up.

8. Practice landing short -- and long. You might be asked to float it
down the runway -- and you might be told (not asked) to plant it on the
numbers. The runway is big, but you MUST be able to do what the
controller tells you to do, or you risk yourself and others.

9. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. Do NOT talk on the radio -- only listen.
Idiots talking on the radio instantly announce their ignorance to a
*very* educated audience, and risk blocking essential ATC instructions.


None of this stuff is hard -- IF you are current and proficient. If
you have any doubts about your ability to fly the plane as described in
the NOTAM, go practice!

But DON'T land somewhere else, cuz you're intimidated by all this.
Landing at OSH is the thrill of a lifetime, and, quite frankly, coming
to OSH by landing at Fond du Lac or Appleton and riding the bus up is
like kissing your sister. It's ALMOST right, but not quite...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"