Am I the only person at Oshkosh without wheels?

I think it would be a good rule, all vehicle drivers need to
be licensed pilots or have a state issued drivers' license.
Just the fact that there are some complaints means there is
an issue. Anyway, I'm waiting to hear from Tom P.


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| "Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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| There were actually fewer support vehicles this year.
If it weren't for them there would be no OSH. Give
| volunteering a try and you might understand the need a
little better. The rule is no one under 16 or 18 (can't
| remember which) drives a vehicle. Just having spent 9
days at OSH I can't say I ever saw the rule violated.
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| I second Dave's observation. Although they were plenty of
them, I didn't think there were as many in the two
| previous years I'd attended... especially 1999.
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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There were actually fewer support vehicles this year. If it weren't for
them there would be no OSH. Give volunteering a try and you might
understand the need a little better. The rule is no one under 16 or 18
(can't remember which) drives a vehicle. Just having spent 9 days at OSH
I
can't say I ever saw the rule violated.

If they were to put a number in large enough sizes on the front and rear of
the vehicle, a person could make a complaint about the number vehicle and
the time. A phone number to call would need to be posted on the vehicle or
around the grounds. They should be able to check who the vehicle was signed
out to, and take action, if a number of complaints were lodged about a
certain vehicle.

I can't believe that this has never happened before.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
y.com...

There were actually fewer support vehicles this year. If it weren't for
them there would be no OSH. Give volunteering a try and you might
understand the need a little better. The rule is no one under 16 or 18
(can't remember which) drives a vehicle. Just having spent 9 days at OSH
I
can't say I ever saw the rule violated.

If they were to put a number in large enough sizes on the front and rear
of
the vehicle, a person could make a complaint about the number vehicle and
the time. A phone number to call would need to be posted on the vehicle
or
around the grounds. They should be able to check who the vehicle was
signed
out to, and take action, if a number of complaints were lodged about a
certain vehicle.

I can't believe that this has never happened before.
--
Jim in NC


If there were really a problem something would be done.

"Dave Stadt" wrote

If there were really a problem something would be done.

Yea, I have to agree. I, at times, have been a person with a gator or cart.
I was always patient, and let people move at their own speed, and get out of
my way without any urging from me. Sometimes, it is amazing that people
don't care to move, even it would only involve about three steps out of
their way. Nevertheless....

I really can't recall seeing anyone else being dangerous. Yes, when you
were on a road, and there was room, punch it!

I don't doubt that there are a very few volunteers somewhere that got
impatient, or were in a hurry, and made someone feel uncomfortable. I still
believe they are the exception, rather than the rule.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:

"Dave Stadt" wrote

If there were really a problem something would be done.


Yea, I have to agree. I, at times, have been a person with a gator or cart.
I was always patient, and let people move at their own speed, and get out of
my way without any urging from me. Sometimes, it is amazing that people
don't care to move, even it would only involve about three steps out of
their way. Nevertheless....

I really can't recall seeing anyone else being dangerous. Yes, when you
were on a road, and there was room, punch it!

I don't doubt that there are a very few volunteers somewhere that got
impatient, or were in a hurry, and made someone feel uncomfortable. I still
believe they are the exception, rather than the rule.

It seems like they could cordone off a "main road" through the area and
have it exclusively for the vehicles and not allow any pedestrians. And
then not allow any vehicles in the other areas that are for pedestrians.


Matt

Dave Stadt wrote:

If there were really a problem something would be done.


Sometimes it's not a "problem" until somebody gets hurt, and all of a
sudden "legal" has to get involved.

I volunteer in a medical capacity with one of the largest and richest
rodeos in the world, and the "golf cart" problem was unchecked until
last year (when, you guessed it.. someone got run over). This years
show, there were "no cart zones" and designated "cart paths that were
explicitly designed to separate the carts from the people. Violators
were considered to have been warned during orientation and cart
operators had their priveledges yanked on first offense. We had signs up
of all the affected areas in ALL the committee workspaces and on flyers
inside every vehicle. The officers and other big wigs were not exempt.

For an event this size, there should be "cart runs" that are separate
from the people.. or separate from non wheeled vehicles. These paths
should be made with minimal disruption of the flow of the show, and
should be on the "back" side of things wherever possible. I know that is
a tad more difficult at OSH due to the layout, but it can be done.. We
are talking about a path that is the wingspan of one plane.. less than
one parking space per row of planes.

The only vehicles that have a reason to go INTO the crowd are medical
and law enforcement. Everyone else should be given a path AROUND the crowd.

Dave

"Dave S" wrote

For an event this size, there should be "cart runs" that are separate
from the people.. or separate from non wheeled vehicles. These paths
should be made with minimal disruption of the flow of the show, and
should be on the "back" side of things wherever possible. I know that is
a tad more difficult at OSH due to the layout, but it can be done.. We
are talking about a path that is the wingspan of one plane.. less than
one parking space per row of planes.

The only vehicles that have a reason to go INTO the crowd are medical
and law enforcement. Everyone else should be given a path AROUND the
crowd.

The biggest problem with doing that would not be controlling cart traffic.
It is the people. People walk EVERYWHERE except down the taxiway and Knapp
street, and even then, people still walk down Knapp street, even with a
sidewalk right next to it. Go figure.
--
Jim in NC

Dave Stadt wrote:


If there were really a problem something would be done.



There's fairy tale thinking... your kidding right??
Unless you define "problem", as an accident.

To me, it is a problem if there are complaints, or if people felt uneasy
about the traffic. I am sure some are very nice and understand they are
motoring through a crowd of hot people baking in the heat. If so, the
other end of the spectrum likely exists. And they should be delt with.
Or there will be bigger problems.

If some idiot is going to take away the ability for a child to walk for
two months and then walk in pain for the next seven months or maybe
longer. Incurr medical expenses and loss of lifestyle, what is that
worth. Or even to an adult? I am not a fan of the legal action and
accident litigations but sitting here thinking, "what would it be like",
makes me kinda angry to say the least. And who is responsible, the show,
the driver, or the parent of the driver, the company (vendor vehicle)?

"Jules" wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote:


If there were really a problem something would be done.



There's fairy tale thinking... your kidding right??
Unless you define "problem", as an accident.

To me, it is a problem if there are complaints, or if people felt uneasy
about the traffic. I am sure some are very nice and understand they are
motoring through a crowd of hot people baking in the heat. If so, the
other end of the spectrum likely exists. And they should be delt with. Or
there will be bigger problems.

If some idiot is going to take away the ability for a child to walk for
two months and then walk in pain for the next seven months or maybe
longer. Incurr medical expenses and loss of lifestyle, what is that worth.
Or even to an adult? I am not a fan of the legal action and accident
litigations but sitting here thinking, "what would it be like", makes me
kinda angry to say the least. And who is responsible, the show, the
driver, or the parent of the driver, the company (vendor vehicle)?

How many out of 700,000 have complained? Without quantifying the problem by
actual incidents or number of people complaining it is all so much smoke.
Out of that many people you are going to get some complaints about any and
everything. Quantify the problem then come back and start a real
discussion.

I will clarify. I think *THIS* year, the problem was more with vendors and
golf carts. The gators and the EAA golf carts all seemed to be relatively
sedate and courteous....and I would get out of their way. What got on my
nerves was the number of cars and minivans. Maybe I just hit it all at the
wrong time, but I entered the grounds from Camp Scholler behind the South
West Exhibit building. By the time I made it to the Cessna unveiling of
their LSA on Monday, I had already had to stop and move out of the way for 4
vehicles.

Again, maybe I'm just a magnet for them, but it definitely seemed worse this
year, IMHO.

jf


"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
y.com...

There were actually fewer support vehicles this year. If it weren't for
them there would be no OSH. Give volunteering a try and you might
understand the need a little better. The rule is no one under 16 or 18
(can't remember which) drives a vehicle. Just having spent 9 days at OSH
I can't say I ever saw the rule violated.


"Jeff" jfranks1971 minus wrote in message
...
I was able to get my family to OSH again this year (usually its a "guy's
trip"). We had a great time and enjoyed all parts. But, as usual, I do
have some gripes. Number one of those a Did anyone else notice a
marked increase in the number of vehicles running around the flightline?

I know that logistical trucks (ice, food, gas, trams, etc) should be
expected. But I was constantly having to get out of the way of someone
in a minivan, scooter, gator or golf cart. My daughter was almost ran
over by a 14 year old in a golf cart. What gives? To me, once the show
starts (this would exclude Sunday's setup day), the vendors shouldn't
need more transportation than the average joe.

I had figured that it was "just me", until I had some guy in a mini-van
honk at me as I was walking on Aeroshell Square. Needless to say, I
slowed down

Anyone else see this as a problem getting worse?

jf