Get Rid Of Warbirds At Oshkosh

I like warbirds, an airshow without warbirds is like no
airshow at all.



"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...
| I'm prejudiced. Of course I'm prejudiced. In 5000+
flight hours, I've
| never come as close to a midair as I did at Oshkosh 1999.
Oshkosh Tower:
| "BlueOnBlue Cessna, number three for runway 27. Ercoupe
put it on the
| numbers. Flight of three T6s, cross over runway 27, right
downwind for
| runway 27, caution the Cessna at the gravel pit."
|
| (Warbird flight leader) "OK fellers, let's show them what
a warbird arrival
| is like."
|
| The Cessna is looking, looking, and turns downwind. The
copilot screams,
| "Oh, my God " and the pilot turns hard left, only to see
two wings perhaps
| fifty feet below. Tower tells warbirds that they nearly
had a midair with a
| Cessna. Warbird flight leader, "Then tell tell the little
b@$+@rd to get
| out of our way."
|
| I've about had it with the arrogant warbird *******s. The
only reason that
| there are warbirds at Oshkosh is that Pope Paul flew a
warbird and wanted to
| invite his cronies.
|
| Pope Paul is out to pasture. Nobody else at Oshkosh gets
gas money except
| the warbirds. Guess where the gas money is coming from?
Your inflated
| entry ticket prices. You are paying for those stupid
idiots to aggrandize
| World War II, which damned few of us can relate to.
|
| So this afternoon, one of the WWII warbird people who has
more money than
| good sense, and who never learned how to clear the taxiway
in front of his
| aircraft, killed one of our own. There has to be some sort
of payback for
| this sort of stupidity.
|
| Warbirds, you are not welcome at Oshkosh.
|
| Jim
|
|
|

I like warbirds, an airshow without warbirds is like no
airshow at all.

Agreed.

Were it not for the Warbirds, I would not have attended my first
Oshkosh Fly-In, way back in '83. In fact, that's all I thought EAA
*was*, was an organization to preserve and protect Warbirds. I
remember being quite surprised, sometime later, to discover that EAA
actually had local "chapters" with "home-builders" creating cool little
airplanes in their garages.

Thus, the wheels started to spin, and eventually EAA's "all-inclusive"
enthusiasm fanned the flames of aviation within me. As with all
marketing, the "sale" was made on the fifth attempt...or thereabouts...

No, taking Warbirds from the show would instantly eliminate WAY too
many attendees, some of whom just might learn to fly someday, as I did.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In rec.aviation.homebuilt Jim Macklin wrote:
I like warbirds, an airshow without warbirds is like no
airshow at all.

For the past two years the warbird attendance at Arlington has
been way down. Heard something about the NW warbird
organizaion being in some snit with Arlington management.

Personally, I think the last two Arlingtons have been the best
of the last 6 I've gone to. Don't miss the warbirds at all.

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR

I'd vote to get rid of the Warbirds too. This year [this morning in
fact] a small window opened in the extreme weather experienced this
year as we were trying to depart. As we lined up on the taxi way,
someone decided it would be a great time for some t6s to preform some
sort of 'airshow'. We waited and waited with engines running thinking
we would be going soon. Twenty minutes later, some of us were let out
of the penalty box.

After 20 minutes of idle, then applying take off power among aircraft
with very different speeds [I was in my Lancair] this is NO time for a
hic up!

There is a place for this warbird thing but the timing today was way
out of line. I've already written EAA Hwq stating my displeasure.

Earl Schroeder

The T-6 were performing a missing man formation for the Memorial wall
service that EAA does to remember the pilots that have gone west....


Ps. just got back and boy am I burnt and tired.

Dave Zera
Co-Chair
Safety/ Flight line
AirVenture
"flyer" wrote in message
ups.com...
I'd vote to get rid of the Warbirds too. This year [this morning in
fact] a small window opened in the extreme weather experienced this
year as we were trying to depart. As we lined up on the taxi way,
someone decided it would be a great time for some t6s to preform some
sort of 'airshow'. We waited and waited with engines running thinking
we would be going soon. Twenty minutes later, some of us were let out
of the penalty box.

After 20 minutes of idle, then applying take off power among aircraft
with very different speeds [I was in my Lancair] this is NO time for a
hic up!

There is a place for this warbird thing but the timing today was way
out of line. I've already written EAA Hwq stating my displeasure.

Earl Schroeder

"David J. Zera" wrote in message news:btednWtfk51o4FPZnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@wideopenwest .com...
The T-6 were performing a missing man formation for the Memorial wall service that EAA does to remember the pilots
that have gone west....


Ps. just got back and boy am I burnt and tired.

Dave Zera
Co-Chair
Safety/ Flight line
AirVenture

David, You guys will probably catch a lot of flack over the Avenger - RV accident. I for one appreciate the job you
do every year. Please do not be too hard on yourselves.

Joe Schneider



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"JJS" jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net wrote

David, You guys will probably catch a lot of flack over the Avenger - RV
accident. I for one appreciate the job you
do every year. Please do not be too hard on yourselves.

I could be wrong, but I think that his guy's responsibility pretty much ends
when the pilot gets on his way on the taxiway. At an intersection, if there
is a problem, it could be his problem.

I agree, about them doing a great job. I do think there needs to be
something done in response to this, and not just telling everyone to be more
careful. What about escorts for each and every taildragger the whole time
they are moving, all the way from chocks out to turn on to the active for
takeoff?

It would take some more bikes, but I'll bet you could find plenty of
volunteers to ride bikes around.
--
Jim in NC

Ps. just got back and boy am I burnt and tired.

Dave Zera
Co-Chair
Safety/ Flight line
AirVenture

David, You guys will probably catch a lot of flack over the Avenger - RV
accident. I for one appreciate the job you do every year. Please do not
be too hard on yourselves.

Joe Schneider

Thanks! Sunday was very rough, allot of crying from the other Chairs, The
whole day was a mess from a FuelTruck cutting off a tug taxing a B17 in the
west ramp to that horrific taxiway accident. I had to throw out of the
convention 2 photo journalists that were trying go around the safety line to
take pictures (Boy that REALLY burns me!) of the accident.

The accident will be in my nightmares for many years...... .... It was
a rough year for EAA.

Dave Zera
Co-Chair
Safety/Flight Line
AirVenture

The accident will be in my nightmares for many years...... .... It was
a rough year for EAA.

Thanks for all you do, Dave -- us long-term OSH attendees really do
appreciate your efforts.

Can you clue us in as to what happened in this bizarre accident? Did
the Avenger pilot simply not see the RV, and trundle right over
(through?) it?

That seems hard to believe, but I suppose in all the "tune the
radios/find the chart/what's that altitude?" craziness, it could
happen. Damned shame.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:E1fzg.84679$ZW3.47978@dukeread04...
I like warbirds, an airshow without warbirds is like no
airshow at all.

And the money for the fuel they receive comes from the Warbirds division not
from the EAA as some believe.