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barrel roll in 172
Jim Macklin schrieb:
You have to have "macros" to take porn? "Any acrobatic maneuver" wasn't intended to mean 720 degree roll per second rate or tail slides, or but just the basic 3 axis and combinations. To me, "any" means "any". If you mean "some", then write "some". (Just as stupid as top posting.) BTW, even your "basic" is wrong. Some airplanes cannot be rolled because they have too little aileron authority while inverted. (Which means that you can roll them to inverted, but not roll them back to upright again.) It seems you are talking about things of which you don't have the slightest idea. Stefan |
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Top posting comments ignored, as far as control authority, I
sure am glad to know that recovery from an inverted position after en counter with wake turbulence is impossible or that some combined use of the ailerons, rudder and engine torque and P-factor can't be used to complete some maneuver, even if not of competition quality. From now on and hence forth, consider that ALL STATEMENTS ARE INTENDED AS "GENERALIZATIONS" and the use of words such as "is, "always" "never" "all, "some" are not intended ort meant to restrict or prevent, or imply that the answer is legally binding, universal or written, vetted, edited, or even proofread. Also, just like a legislature, each word, sentence or paragraph stands on its own and a finding that some parts is unconstitutional, invalid or just plain wrong does not effect the balance of the answer, question or joke. If you don't like the top posting you are... free to ignore or even block the post. or you may cut and paste it to put it at the bottom. Since forwarding proof marks are added, you could even write a macro (a short computer program or routine) to do the edit for you. Since I do not write with a pointed stick in a clay tablet, or use a turkey feather and my pen knife to create my writing tools, I am not a scribe, scriber or even a scholar. But hey, since I don't have any care, feel free to be critical. "Stefan" wrote in message ... | Jim Macklin schrieb: | You have to have "macros" to take porn? "Any acrobatic | maneuver" wasn't intended to mean 720 degree roll per second | rate or tail slides, or but just the basic 3 axis and | combinations. | | To me, "any" means "any". If you mean "some", then write "some". (Just | as stupid as top posting.) | | BTW, even your "basic" is wrong. Some airplanes cannot be rolled because | they have too little aileron authority while inverted. (Which means that | you can roll them to inverted, but not roll them back to upright again.) | | It seems you are talking about things of which you don't have the | slightest idea. | | Stefan |
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barrel roll in 172
You have to have "macros" to take porn?
Depends. "Any acrobatic maneuver" wasn't intended to mean 720 degree roll per second rate or tail slides, or but just the basic 3 axis and combinations. "Any" means any. Some planes can't even stall. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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barrel roll in 172
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 09:11:14 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote: People were beginning to talk about all the different maneuver that can be done in an airplane [in this case the 172, but this applies to all airplanes]. The OP asked about "normal category" but even allowing for utility category, the 172 is approved for very limited aerobatics. The specific allowed maneuvers are listed. Certainly, any airplane can perform any aerobatic maneuver, since all the controls are present for all axis. But just as any camera can take portraits or porn, any airplane will only do what the pilot can do. If your name is Bob Hoover et al, you don't need to ask the question and you probably can do these maneuvers. But Joe Sixpack is going to do several things...(a) bend the airplane (b) break the airplane (c) wish he had a quick jettison door (d) wish he had a parachute and (e) die. Simple rule, The Law of Gravity has no exceptions or appeals. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P "Bob Moore" wrote in message .121... | Jim Macklin wrote | | (5) Model 172L (1972 model) | "This airplane must be operated in compliance with the | operating limitations as stated in the form of placards, | markings, and manuals: | | Yeah Jim, and we all MUST comply with all highway speed limits, | even when they were 55 mph. Hell...my speedometer even had a | big red mark at 55 mph. | | A lot of those placards, markings, and manual limits are just | because the manufacturer did not want to spend the time and | money in order to seek certification for a particular item. | | Such is the case of the "no slips with flaps" contained in the | manual for a lot of the C-172s. | | Bob Moore I will be flying a 172 in the morning, I will roll it and report the results. Best Daveb |
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barrel roll in 172
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:26:48 +0200, Stefan
wrote: Jim Macklin schrieb: You have to have "macros" to take porn? "Any acrobatic maneuver" wasn't intended to mean 720 degree roll per second rate or tail slides, or but just the basic 3 axis and combinations. To me, "any" means "any". If you mean "some", then write "some". (Just as stupid as top posting.) BTW, even your "basic" is wrong. Some airplanes cannot be rolled because they have too little aileron authority while inverted. (Which means that you can roll them to inverted, but not roll them back to upright again.) I've always wondered what would happen if you got upside down due to a strong vortex in a Mitsubishi MU-2. These airplanes do not have ailerons for roll control but instead have spoilers. But if you don't have spoilers on both sides of the wing (do they or not??) then how would they operate inverted? There used to be a MU-2 owner that posted here occassionally. Is he still around? Klein |
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barrel roll in 172
All airplanes can stall, even the stall proof airplanes.
maybe the cargo shifts, maybe something happens, maybe the A&P mis-rigs the elevator or the stop breaks. Trust me, all airplanes can stall. "Jose" wrote in message t... | You have to have "macros" to take porn? | | Depends. | | "Any acrobatic | maneuver" wasn't intended to mean 720 degree roll per second | rate or tail slides, or but just the basic 3 axis and | combinations. | | "Any" means any. Some planes can't even stall. | | Jose | -- | The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. | for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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barrel roll in 172
All airplanes can stall, even the stall proof airplanes.
maybe the cargo shifts, maybe something happens, maybe the A&P mis-rigs the elevator or the stop breaks. I like the "maybe something happens" method of stalling a plane. I was (of course) referring to airplanes that have not broken, and are being flown deliberately into a maneuver. Not all airplanes are capable of all maneuvers. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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barrel roll in 172
"Not all airplanes are capable of completing all maneuvers."
Regards, James A. (Jim) Carter -----Original Message----- From: Jose ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 23:37 Posted To: rec.aviation.piloting Conversation: barrel roll in 172 Subject: barrel roll in 172 All airplanes can stall, even the stall proof airplanes. maybe the cargo shifts, maybe something happens, maybe the A&P mis-rigs the elevator or the stop breaks. I like the "maybe something happens" method of stalling a plane. I was (of course) referring to airplanes that have not broken, and are being flown deliberately into a maneuver. Not all airplanes are capable of all maneuvers. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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barrel roll in 172
Investigators find cause of fatal Utah plane crash
BY MOLLY MCMILLIN The Wichita Eagle The National Transportation Safety Board indicated in a preliminary report Tuesday that the linkage on an experimental twin-engine plane that killed two test pilots, including Wichita State University graduate Nathan Forrest, was installed incorrectly. The Spectrum 33 crashed July 25 during takeoff from Spanish Fork-Springville Airport at Spanish Fork, Utah. The NTSB report said the plane's linkage -- which helps control the plane -- was installed backward. "It was connected in a manner that reversed the roll control," the report said. Witnesses indicated the airplane entered a right roll almost immediately after takeoff and the right wingtip hit the ground. The airplane -- which was made from advanced composite materials -- was destroyed by the impact, but all major components were accounted for in the wreckage, the NTSB said. Spectrum president Austin Blue told Aviation International News that the company will continue with the program. First flight of the next test plane, which will be designed to ensure that the controls cannot be rigged incorrectly, will occur sometime next year, Aviation International said. Forrest, 25, was a former Olathe resident who graduated from WSU in 2003. Also killed in the crash was 53-year old Glenn Maben, Spectrum's director of flight operations. Remember, always, control wheel left and say, as you look, right one is down and the left one is up, pull backwards and note not just that the stick moves, but that the elevator us up. Then stick right, left one is down and the right one is up then stick full forward and again verify the elevator moved in the correct direction. If the pilot can't see the control surfaces, have somebody on the outside to verify the correct movement. Always do this, particularly after any maintenance. It is not rare. Some check lists say FREE and CORRECT. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Jose" wrote in message . .. | All airplanes can stall, even the stall proof airplanes. | maybe the cargo shifts, maybe something happens, maybe the | A&P mis-rigs the elevator or the stop breaks. | | I like the "maybe something happens" method of stalling a plane. I was | (of course) referring to airplanes that have not broken, and are being | flown deliberately into a maneuver. Not all airplanes are capable of | all maneuvers. | | Jose | -- | The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. | for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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PED barrel roll in 172
"Not all airplanes are capable of completing all maneuvers."
If it hasn't completed a maneuver, it hasn't done it. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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