Any traffic please advise

Jim Burns wrote:
One of my all time pet peeves.
I've even heard it transformed into "Any other traffic, please watch out"
Jim


Around they they say "Any conflicts please advise." Or even,
"Any conflictions, please advise." It's not even a word.

Dan

It can be very useful when the freq is quiet. Often times you'll find
that if students are in the pattern they only talk when turning. If a
student pilot is on downwind, if you don't ask, you probably won't hear
him on the radio until he's turning base, possibly in front of you.

-robert


Kris Kortokrax wrote:
Just received the following from the FAA Designee Notification system.
Checked out the AIM on the FAA web site and the wording is included.

Kris

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The inane practice of using the phrase "any traffic please advise" has
become so wide spread that the FAA has finally included a "do not do
this" in the latest version of the AIM. You will find the following
quote at paragraph 4-1-9 G 1 in the latest version of the AIM:

Self-announce is a procedure whereby pilots broadcast their position or
intended flight activity or ground operation on the designated CTAF.
This procedure is used primarily at airports which do not have an FSS on
the airport. The self-announce procedure should also be used if a pilot
is unable to communicate with the FSS on the designated CTAF. Pilots
stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized
Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used
under any condition.

If you do not have a current copy of the AIM, you can reference one
online at:

http://www.faa.gov/ATPUBS/AIM/

Bob Linenweber, ASI
314-890-4864


OPS DESIGNEE NOTIFICATION SYSTEM

It can be very useful when the freq is quiet. Often times you'll find
that if students are in the pattern they only talk when turning. If a
student pilot is on downwind, if you don't ask, you probably won't hear
him on the radio until he's turning base, possibly in front of you.

You should be listening on the frequency for long enough that such
students have made several such turns before you are close enough for
that to matter. Make your own position report. That should be enough
of a prompt for pilots in the area to respond if warranted.

Jose
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Jose wrote:
It can be very useful when the freq is quiet. Often times you'll find
that if students are in the pattern they only talk when turning. If a
student pilot is on downwind, if you don't ask, you probably won't hear
him on the radio until he's turning base, possibly in front of you.

You should be listening on the frequency for long enough that such
students have made several such turns before you are close enough for
that to matter. Make your own position report. That should be enough
of a prompt for pilots in the area to respond if warranted.

That's hard for IFR pilots who often get dumped onto airports as close
as 10 miles out. In my plane I'm usually approaching at 170 knots
ground speed. Not much time to wait for the next transmission. If the
freq is busy I agree with you, however, if the freq is dead it can be
helpful.

-Robert

That's hard for IFR pilots who often get dumped onto airports as close
as 10 miles out.

Just announce your position. "Please advise" aftwerwards (or instead)
is useless.

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On 25 Aug 2006 10:02:17 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote in . com:


Jose wrote:

You should be listening on the frequency for long enough that such
students have made several such turns before you are close enough for
that to matter. Make your own position report. That should be enough
of a prompt for pilots in the area to respond if warranted.

That's hard for IFR pilots who often get dumped onto airports as close
as 10 miles out. In my plane I'm usually approaching at 170 knots
ground speed. Not much time to wait for the next transmission. If the
freq is busy I agree with you, however, if the freq is dead it can be
helpful.


Yet, ten miles is what the AIM recommends:

http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap4/aim0401.html#4-1-9
4-1-9(c) Recommended Traffic Advisory Practices

1. Pilots of inbound traffic should monitor and communicate as
appropriate on the designated CTAF from 10 miles to landing.
Pilots of departing aircraft should monitor/communicate on the
appropriate frequency from start-up, during taxi, and until 10
miles from the airport unless the CFRs or local procedures require
otherwise.

2. Pilots of aircraft conducting other than arriving or departing
operations at altitudes normally used by arriving and departing
aircraft should monitor/communicate on the appropriate frequency
while within 10 miles of the airport unless required to do
otherwise by the CFRs or local procedures. Such operations include
parachute jumping/dropping, en route, practicing maneuvers, etc.

I usually get dumped off at 5 miles. This happens when I am flying IFR or
VFR and receiving flight following. I fly between two class Cs into a small
uncontrolled field, so I get flight following.

I can make a position announcement, but it is also recommended that I say my
intentions. I don't know my intensions until I know what runway is active.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Jose wrote:
It can be very useful when the freq is quiet. Often times you'll find
that if students are in the pattern they only talk when turning. If a
student pilot is on downwind, if you don't ask, you probably won't hear
him on the radio until he's turning base, possibly in front of you.

You should be listening on the frequency for long enough that such
students have made several such turns before you are close enough for
that to matter. Make your own position report. That should be enough
of a prompt for pilots in the area to respond if warranted.

That's hard for IFR pilots who often get dumped onto airports as close
as 10 miles out. In my plane I'm usually approaching at 170 knots
ground speed. Not much time to wait for the next transmission. If the
freq is busy I agree with you, however, if the freq is dead it can be
helpful.

-Robert

On 2006-08-25, Robert M. Gary wrote:
That's hard for IFR pilots who often get dumped onto airports as close
as 10 miles out.

'Any traffic please advise' is still redundant.
A position report is sufficient.

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Robert M. Gary wrote:
It can be very useful when the freq is quiet. Often times you'll find
that if students are in the pattern they only talk when turning. If a
student pilot is on downwind, if you don't ask, you probably won't hear
him on the radio until he's turning base, possibly in front of you.

Did you make a position report entering the airport environment, for
instance as you entered the 45?

B A R R Y wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:

Did you make a position report entering the airport environment, for
instance as you entered the 45?

Did the student already in the pattern understand that my transmission
meant he should say something back to me? Again, it comes down to freq
congestion. If the freq is dead then its good to be verbose and
communicate in long form. Most of us do the same with ATC. Its the
difference between, "Good morning Oakland Center Mooney 1234A with you
passing through 10 thousand for 15 thousand....." vs. "1234A through 10
thousand".

-Robert