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IFR Cancellation Question
"Milen Lazarov" wrote in message ... Why? You can get an altitude assignment while VFR and Seattle center usually asks me to report the field in sight (PAE) even when I'm VFR before terminating radar services. Yes, you can get an altitude assignment while VFR, but you can't (properly) get one from Seattle Center while VFR. Reporting the field serves a purpose if you're IFR, but not if you're VFR. |
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IFR Cancellation Question
"A Lieberma" wrote in message . 18... For IFR handling, approach would hold me to tower frequency and cancellation of IFR is terminated once wheels touch terra firma is what I was lead to believe. Surely they wouldn't (or couldn't) terminate radar services before having me contact tower at a controlled airport? They would if the tower had no radar. |
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IFR Cancellation Question
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:10:15 -0800, Milen Lazarov
wrote: On 2006-12-08, Steven P. McNicoll wrote: "dlevy" wrote in message ... Does "Sundowner 1943L, descend and maintain 2000, report Madison in sight." imply the controller thought he was IFR? Yes. Why? You can get an altitude assignment while VFR and Seattle center usually asks me to report the field in sight (PAE) even when I'm VFR before terminating radar services. I don't think the above state (descend and maintain) implies IFR. However, earlier in the post, the controller told the pilot to expect the visual. That is very much an IFR procedure, and not a VFR one. So at least at that point the controller thought the original poster was IFR. |
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IFR Cancellation Question
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
ink.net: "A Lieberma" wrote in message . 18... For IFR handling, approach would hold me to tower frequency and cancellation of IFR is terminated once wheels touch terra firma is what I was lead to believe. Surely they wouldn't (or couldn't) terminate radar services before having me contact tower at a controlled airport? They would if the tower had no radar. Ok, makes sense on the radar services being terminated, but the IFR clearance still applies for airspace seperation? IFR would be then cancelled once wheels touch ground??? Allen |
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IFR Cancellation Question
Or unless you cancel in the air which is sometimes easier to do at a
field with no RCO or a tower that is closed. You can also cancel in the air to help people out, I've been on an IFR plan (but by the time I was approaching the field was VFR conditions) and I heard a Jet at the hold short "ready for release" the tower said "I have one IFR arrival inbound, expect a 3 minute delay" once that was acknowledged I said "N1234 is cancelling IFR at this time" got the cancellation and they released the jet to go before I got there. The jet jockey (which surprised me) threw me a thank you before he got switched over to approach. Anything to make the system work that makes sense is ok in my book. A Lieberma wrote: "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in ink.net: "A Lieberma" wrote in message 8.18... For IFR handling, approach would hold me to tower frequency and cancellation of IFR is terminated once wheels touch terra firma is what I was lead to believe. Surely they wouldn't (or couldn't) terminate radar services before having me contact tower at a controlled airport? They would if the tower had no radar. Ok, makes sense on the radar services being terminated, but the IFR clearance still applies for airspace seperation? IFR would be then cancelled once wheels touch ground??? Allen |
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IFR Cancellation Question
A Lieberma wrote:
They would if the tower had no radar. Ok, makes sense on the radar services being terminated, but the IFR clearance still applies for airspace seperation? IFR would be then cancelled once wheels touch ground??? At a towered airport without radar, you are still IFR until your wheels touch the ground (assuming you don't cancel on your own). IFR separation doesn't require radar contact. It doesn't even require radio contact. Both of those just make it possible to apply more efficient methods of achieving the required separation. |
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IFR Cancellation Question
At a towered airport without radar, you are still IFR until your wheels
touch the ground (assuming you don't cancel on your own). If your wheels touch the ground on a Cat IIIc missed approach though, you ought to still be IFR. That would be one pretty pickle. Jose -- "There are 3 secrets to the perfect landing. Unfortunately, nobody knows what they are." - (mike). for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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IFR Cancellation Question
On 12/08/06 13:54, Roy Smith wrote:
A Lieberma wrote: They would if the tower had no radar. Ok, makes sense on the radar services being terminated, but the IFR clearance still applies for airspace seperation? IFR would be then cancelled once wheels touch ground??? At a towered airport without radar, you are still IFR until your wheels touch the ground (assuming you don't cancel on your own). IFR separation doesn't require radar contact. It doesn't even require radio contact. Both of those just make it possible to apply more efficient methods of achieving the required separation. So I wonder if the confusion came when ATC told Allen to Squawk VFR? This just means that you're no longer in radar contact, and not that you're no longer IFR, right? Or, are you supposed to maintain your transponder code until changed by ATC or you cancel IFR - even if radar service is terminated? I think the only thing that was missing in Allen's case was the clearance to fly the visual approach. -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA |
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IFR Cancellation Question
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Jose wrote: At a towered airport without radar, you are still IFR until your wheels touch the ground (assuming you don't cancel on your own). If your wheels touch the ground on a Cat IIIc missed approach though, you ought to still be IFR. That would be one pretty pickle. Jose If you're flying a Cat IIIc approach, the tower probably can't see you, your wheels, or the runway, so it works out. |
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IFR Cancellation Question
A Lieberma wrote: Newps wrote in : Approach can do both. It depends on the service they are able to provide. For VFR handling, I would agree with the above, though in my neck of the woods, I have never heard approach tell VFR traffic to squawk VFR and expect them to contact tower on their own. That is a regional thing. Some places are famous for terminating aircraft very close to a class D boundary. For IFR handling, approach would hold me to tower frequency and cancellation of IFR is terminated once wheels touch terra firma is what I was lead to believe. Surely they wouldn't (or couldn't) terminate radar services before having me contact tower at a controlled airport? Sure they can. If they don't have radar coverage they will terminate you. |
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