Beechcraft sold

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Have you flown a Beechcraft. They are the nicest GA aircfaft flying.

I've flown a Bonanza and a Baron. Very nice planes, indeed, but
stupidly over-priced. And (IMHO) the Light Sport Aircraft "CT" handles
even better, for 1/7th the cost, and the Cirrus SR-22 is better still.


Beech is a grand old name, and I will hate to see it go away -- but
they've been like a grand old uncle with Alzheimer's Disease. They've
been dead in every way for years, except in body.
--
The Cirrus needs the autopilot to fly straight and level.

Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Aluckyguess" wrote :

The Cirrus needs the autopilot to fly straight and level.

Baloney.

Jay Honeck wrote:
I wish it weren't true, but you know Beech has outlived its usefulness
when my response to this sale is a lackadaisical yawn.

They have come up with precisely zero new ideas since the StarShip,
over 20 years ago, and -- their contributions to aviation history
notwithstanding -- if Beech went out of business tomorrow, it would
mean...nothing.

IMO, Beech has been irrelevant to aviation for at least ten years --
almost as long as I've been a pilot.

I normally agree with you Jay, but this is probably the most
shortsighted thing I've ever heard you say in this forum.

I flew a 20 year old A36 recently and all I can say is the only thing
wrong with that airplane was the lack of glass (which they've solved in
the G36), a tendency to dutch roll in turbulence (easily correctable by
the use of a yaw damper) and the price for new copies. If I had the
coin, I'd buy a G36 or Baron over the new plastic airplanes, and a King
Air over a VLJ any day -- even if it cost me more to buy and to operate
on a long-term basis. They're that good.

As an instructor, I get to fly a lot of different airplanes and talk to
a lot of owners. I'm convinced that the only people who hate Beech
airplanes are those who haven't flown them.

-Doug

--------------------
Doug Vetter, ATP/CFI

http://www.dvatp.com
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As an instructor, I get to fly a lot of different airplanes and talk to
a lot of owners. I'm convinced that the only people who hate Beech
airplanes are those who haven't flown them.

I didn't say I hated Beech -- far from it. Although none of their
birds fits my current mission, which requires lots of economical
lifting capacity and a wide CG range -- I would LOVE to own a Bonanza
some day.

What I said was that they have become irrelevant. They sell a tiny
number of aircraft each year (thanks to their outrageous pricing), and
the last new aircraft design to come out of Beech was....what? I
can't think of anything new since the Starship debacle of the early
1980s.

Since that occurred right after I graduated from college -- and I'm now
48 years old -- I think I'm safe in saying that Beech has become
irrelevant to aviation. If they went away tomorrow, we would all shed
a tear for the Beech line -- but it would have zero impact on general
aviation.

The same cannot be said, for example, of Cessna, Piper, Cirrus or
Columbia.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

If Beech re-opened up its lines again for the Sport, Sierra , Duchess, and a
few I missed. They would all be superior to anything else on the market.
Their only problem is price, now that's a biggy but maybe the new company
plans on fixing this.
If a G36 was 50k more than a SR22 and you were looking for a plane in that
class what would you buy. The problem is its 200k more. I believe the new
company can fix this. The new company may even put a parachute in it to
satisfy the spouse that is afraid .
Then you have the Baron, if you have money for fuel its the nicest small
twin their is bar none.

Aluckyguess schrieb:

They would all be superior to anything else on the market.
Their only problem is price,

It's pretty simple to build something superior when money isn't a factor.

Why are you comparing a six-place airplane to a four-place airplane?

Aluckyguess wrote:

If Beech re-opened up its lines again for the Sport, Sierra , Duchess, and a
few I missed. They would all be superior to anything else on the market.
Their only problem is price, now that's a biggy but maybe the new company
plans on fixing this.
If a G36 was 50k more than a SR22 and you were looking for a plane in that
class what would you buy. The problem is its 200k more. I believe the new
company can fix this. The new company may even put a parachute in it to
satisfy the spouse that is afraid .
Then you have the Baron, if you have money for fuel its the nicest small
twin their is bar none.

"Aluckyguess" wrote in message
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If Beech re-opened up its lines again for the Sport, Sierra , Duchess, and
a few I missed. They would all be superior to anything else on the market.
Their only problem is price, now that's a biggy but maybe the new company
plans on fixing this.
If a G36 was 50k more than a SR22 and you were looking for a plane in that
class what would you buy. The problem is its 200k more. I believe the new
company can fix this. The new company may even put a parachute in it to
satisfy the spouse that is afraid .
Then you have the Baron, if you have money for fuel its the nicest small
twin their is bar none.


The G36 is worth $200K more than an SR22. I'd pay it in a heart beat. No
comparison.

Aluckyguess writes:

I believe the new company can fix this.

The new company won't care. The idea is to make as much money as
possible as quickly as possible, and then sell the remains for scrap.

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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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| As an instructor, I get to fly a lot of different
airplanes and talk to
| a lot of owners. I'm convinced that the only people who
hate Beech
| airplanes are those who haven't flown them.
|
| I didn't say I hated Beech -- far from it. Although none
of their
| birds fits my current mission, which requires lots of
economical
| lifting capacity and a wide CG range -- I would LOVE to
own a Bonanza
| some day.
|
| What I said was that they have become irrelevant. They
sell a tiny
| number of aircraft each year (thanks to their outrageous
pricing), and
| the last new aircraft design to come out of Beech
was....what? I
| can't think of anything new since the Starship debacle of
the early
| 1980s.
|
| Since that occurred right after I graduated from
college -- and I'm now
| 48 years old -- I think I'm safe in saying that Beech has
become
| irrelevant to aviation. If they went away tomorrow, we
would all shed
| a tear for the Beech line -- but it would have zero impact
on general
| aviation.
|
| The same cannot be said, for example, of Cessna, Piper,
Cirrus or
| Columbia.
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|