Piloting an AC-130 Spectre

Bill Watson wrote:
It's going to get bloody in here.... Jay, there's a lot of descriptive
stuff written about this setup and lot's of action stories. I"m sure
people will hook you up. But I always had to turn away from those
stories - even though it's not the most effective, high tech weapon
out there, it is the epitome of high explosive terrorism from the
air. Naw, cluster bombs sound worse.

Objectively, it's not always clear who the biggest terrorists are. So
let's pick up that bloody flag and wave it some more.


When the enemy surrounds itself with civilians and is made up of civilians
it is kind of hard not to kill civilians when you attack them. We killed
LOTS and LOTS of civilians in WWII and pretty much everybody at the time
called that a just war.

We are fighting an enemy who has no problem and in fact has it as their
primary tactic to kill civilians. They also have no problem sheilding
themselves with non-combatants, including children. If we don't have the
stomach to attack them whereever they may be we need to call it quits and
pull every soldier, sailor and airman we have around the world back home.
Because we can't win or for that matter defend ourselves.

We are fighting an enemy who has no problem and in fact has it as their
primary tactic to kill civilians. They also have no problem sheilding
themselves with non-combatants, including children. If we don't have the
stomach to attack them whereever they may be we need to call it quits and
pull every soldier, sailor and airman we have around the world back home.
Because we can't win or for that matter defend ourselves.


Golda Meier has been quoted as saying, 'We can forgive them for killing our children, but we can never forgive them for making us kill there's'.
We are fighting an enemy with different values than ours. We need to adjust to that.

Golda Meier has been quoted as saying, 'We can forgive them for killing our children, but we can never forgive them for making us kill there's'.
We are fighting an enemy with different values than ours. We need to adjust to that.

That's one of the most enlightened quotes I've ever read -- and it
truly, sadly, sums up the war we're in.

Unfortunately the electorate is too busy worrying about Paris Hilton's
latest diet to notice. By the time they *do* notice, it may be too
late.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

wrote:
We are fighting an enemy who has no problem and in fact has it as their
primary tactic to kill civilians. They also have no problem sheilding
themselves with non-combatants, including children. If we don't have the
stomach to attack them whereever they may be we need to call it quits and
pull every soldier, sailor and airman we have around the world back home.
Because we can't win or for that matter defend ourselves.


Golda Meier has been quoted as saying, "We can forgive them for killing our
children, but we can never forgive them for making us kill there's".

We are fighting an enemy with different values than ours. We need to adjust to that.

I'm not sure I get this quote... that's seems to be one of the most
convoluted rationales for revenge I've heard - but I must be missing an
obvious point. Please explain. Seriously
(I did some editing to get the quote and the comment separated)

Bill Watson wrote:
wrote:
We are fighting an enemy who has no problem and in fact has it as
their primary tactic to kill civilians. They also have no problem
sheilding themselves with non-combatants, including children. If we
don't have the stomach to attack them whereever they may be we need
to call it quits and pull every soldier, sailor and airman we have
around the world back home. Because we can't win or for that matter
defend ourselves.

Golda Meier has been quoted as saying, "We can forgive them for
killing our children, but we can never forgive them for making us
kill there's". We are fighting an enemy with different values than
ours. We need to adjust to that.
I'm not sure I get this quote... that's seems to be one of the most
convoluted rationales for revenge I've heard - but I must be missing
an obvious point. Please explain. Seriously
(I did some editing to get the quote and the comment separated)


I hardly speak for Golda or the nation of Israel but I think she means that
it is easier to forgive evil than to forgive being forced to do evil.