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Old February 12th 07, 08:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"ktbr" wrote in message
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There truly *should* be some sort of test before one can vote so as
to weed out the both the ignorant and the stupid people.


That would remove the vote from a few posters here then


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Old February 12th 07, 06:36 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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C J Campbell writes:

For myself, things have gotten so fouled up that I can no longer get medical
insurance in the state of Washington. Thanks to Mike Lowrie's insurance
'reforms,' there are NO medical insurers willing to cover anyone who does not
work for a big corporation.


Don't worry: if you get sick and have to step into an emergency room, you can
just sell your house, add the proceeds to your life's savings, and the total
should be just about enough to cover it, provided that you're released within
the hour and you don't get any tests or procedures.

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Old February 12th 07, 03:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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C J Campbell wrote:

User fees will stop some people from flying, but most pilots will probably be
able to cope. The thing that gets me is the unending harassment. It is enough
to make you want to become a hermit. (Actually, I tried that :-) )

User fees, and the associated higher fuel taxes with do more then just
"stop some people from flying". It will slowly and inexorable smother
the aviation business for all except the big airline shops. All of the
small businesses that depend on an active general aviation segment will
founder.

This is nothing more than a very large tax increase. Tax increases slow
down an economy (or a segment thereof) and anyone who has gotten an
education beyond a public school system should know that.

I can no longer fight political battles. I am completely exhausted. You guys
will have to fight the next civil war without me -- and I am convinced that
civil war is inevitable.


I just hope it happens soon... before I am too old to care and participate.


For myself, things have gotten so fouled up that I can no longer get medical
insurance in the state of Washington. Thanks to Mike Lowrie's insurance
'reforms,' there are NO medical insurers willing to cover anyone who does not
work for a big corporation. Group Health and one or two others might do it
for big deductibles and premiums approaching $1000 a month. I am sick of
fighting taxing authorities, insurance companies, and everyone else who has a
hand out. When I die, what the feds don't take, the state will seize the
rest. So it is all for nothing. With problems like that, user fees are just
another gnat sting. Foo.


Sorry to hear you say that, but giving up is exactly what politicians
wnat you to do.... then they have total control of you while you wait
in line (behind a drug addict) for your "universal" health care.

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Old February 12th 07, 08:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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This is nothing more than a very large tax increase.


or is it just the end of a subsidy by the taxpayer


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Old February 12th 07, 09:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Chris wrote:

This is nothing more than a very large tax increase.



or is it just the end of a subsidy by the taxpayer



Well if it is, it is one of the few taxpayer subsidies to ever end.

Besides, one way or the other you WILL pay for it, sort of like
increasing taxes on corporations... I wonder what the airlines can
charge to ship a package from point A to B once the competition
of GA is history.
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Old February 12th 07, 09:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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ktbr writes:

Besides, one way or the other you WILL pay for it, sort of like
increasing taxes on corporations... I wonder what the airlines can
charge to ship a package from point A to B once the competition
of GA is history.


About the same as now. It's mostly an administrative distinction.

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Old February 12th 07, 04:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On 2/11/2007 9:21:53 PM, C J Campbell wrote:

For myself, things have gotten so fouled up that I can no longer get medical
insurance in the state of Washington. Thanks to Mike Lowrie's insurance
'reforms,' there are NO medical insurers willing to cover anyone who does not
work for a big corporation. Group Health and one or two others might do it
for big deductibles and premiums approaching $1000 a month. I am sick of
fighting taxing authorities, insurance companies, and everyone else who has a
hand out. When I die, what the feds don't take, the state will seize the
rest. So it is all for nothing. With problems like that, user fees are just
another gnat sting. Foo.


As a self-employed individual who lives in another fouled up state (New
York), I totally share your pain. Family health insurance in these parts is
about 1,300/month, unless one wants to flirt with very large deductibles -
something I am currently doing.

I am convinced that many full time W2 employees (salaried or hourly
employees) don't realize what a real benefit health insurance really is. It
literally adds about US $15,000 / year or more to one's total compensation
package.

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Old February 12th 07, 04:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Peter R. writes:

I am convinced that many full time W2 employees (salaried or hourly
employees) don't realize what a real benefit health insurance really is. It
literally adds about US $15,000 / year or more to one's total compensation
package.


Does it occur to anyone that $15,000 is way too much to spend on normal health
care?

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Old February 12th 07, 06:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:


Does it occur to anyone that $15,000 is way too much to spend on
normal health care?


Yes, I'd be willing bet all of us do. Though the other two options, no
insurance or a state run program, are also not my idea of great ideas
either.


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Old February 12th 07, 07:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Yes, I'd be willing bet all of us do. Though the other two options, no
insurance or a state run program, are also not my idea of great ideas
either.


So what's the solution?

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