equipment list?

"Tim" wrote

All my annuals are real annuals. I might almost be insulted by this
comment.

You might be rightfully insulted, but the sad fact remains that many annuals
are "pencil whipped" annuals.
--
Jim in NC

There are many annuals done each year that are pencil
whipped. You get what you want and pay for, more power to
you for doing it right.



"Tim" wrote in message
...
| All my annuals are real annuals. I might almost be
insulted by this
| comment.
|
|
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| A real annual is when the AI actual looks at all the
details
| and the owner wants it done right, not just cheap.
|
|
|
| "Tim" wrote in message
| ...
| | See inline replies.
| |
| | Jim Macklin wrote:
| | An equipment list is required and lists all
components
| and
| | accessories and parts installed, except for the
airframe
| | itself.
| |
| | Where is the reg for this? I have not found it yet.
Is
| there a
| | specified format?
| |
| | A really well done equipment list will include the
| | model and serial number for items and not just the
name,
| | weight and station [location on the airplane]. This
| makes
| | researching and compliance with ADs much easier.
| | The engine, propeller, alternator, magnetos,
battery,
| | radios, wheels, tires, brakes, seat belts should be
| listed.
| |
| | But older airplanes did not have a modern POH and
the
| | owners' handbook would also sometime include a
separate
| AFM
| | and the factory original W&B data should have had
the
| | equipment list and the FAA should have a copy of
that in
| the
| | registry in OKC. You can then survey the airplane
[good
| | time to do a real annual]
| |
| | As opposed to an "unreal annual?" I am not sure what
you
| mean by this.
| |
| | and verify that each item is
| | really installed, update to include serial numbers
and
| | current AD status and add any items that have been
added
| and
| | delete items that are no longer installed.
| |
| | I am most likely going to base mine on the log book
| entries and an
| | equipment list from a plane of the same year and
model.
| |
| | thanks, tim
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| | "Tim" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Mark Hansen wrote:
| | | On 03/01/07 21:44, Tim wrote:
| | |
| | | What is required as far as a formal equipment
list
| for
| | part 91
| | | operations? In reading 91.205 and listening to
one
| | instructor I know, I
| | | cannot reconcile what he says with the FARs. He
| states
| | that an aircraft
| | | must have an equipment list. I cannot find an
| equipment
| | list for the
| | | plane I fly regularly. I see partial entries
for
| | "equipment list" on
| | | W&B forms in the plane, but no formal equipment
list
| | showing all the
| | | arms/moments and weights of all the items in the
| | aircraft. I have seen
| | | examples of this for various aircraft in the
POH.
| | |
| | | I fly an older AA5A and the POH is not even
close to
| | what I would call a
| | | useful document for the airplane. It is very
brief,
| | contains errors and
| | | contains self-contradictory information. I am
not
| | surprised to seem to
| | | be missing a required document.
| | |
| | | Is this a required document? If so, how can I
| recreate
| | it or obtain a
| | | new one? I was considering recreating from an
| account
| | of the logs.
| | |
| | | The manufacturer is no longer in business.
| | |
| | | Any idea where I would find "equipment list"
| | requirements in the regs?
| | |
| | | thanks,
| | | tim
| | |
| | |
| | | There was a recent article by Mike Busch at
AVWeb on
| | this topic. AVWeb
| | | members can see the article he
| | |
| | |
| http://www.avweb.com/news/savvyaviator/194428-1.html
| | |
| | | If you're not a member already, join! It's free
and
| | there's lots of great
| | | stuff there.
| | |
| | |
| | | After posting this I found the article. Thanks.
| |
| |
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
...
An equipment list is required and lists all components and
accessories and parts installed, except for the airframe
itself. A really well done equipment list will include the

As a general statement, I don't think so. A great idea? I agree. Required by
a reg? Where?

An equipment list may be required for the certification but I don't see any
reg that says that you have to keep it up to date. All that is required is
updated W&B. The FAA publication that Mike Busch quotes is somewhat
ambiguous but it is only advisory, anyway.

Having said all that, I did download Mike's spreadsheet and I plan to create
an equipment list - just for fun. However, I'm quite sure that I won't be
able to match the current W&B which will leave a perpetual puzzle until I
pay to have the plane re-weighed.
-------------------------------
Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK

FAR 125 requires actual weighing the aircraft on a schedule.
New aircraft are assumed to be accurate, but not all
airplanes are weighed.


"Travis Marlatte" wrote in
message ...
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| ...
| An equipment list is required and lists all components
and
| accessories and parts installed, except for the airframe
| itself. A really well done equipment list will include
the
|
| As a general statement, I don't think so. A great idea? I
agree. Required by
| a reg? Where?
|
| An equipment list may be required for the certification
but I don't see any
| reg that says that you have to keep it up to date. All
that is required is
| updated W&B. The FAA publication that Mike Busch quotes is
somewhat
| ambiguous but it is only advisory, anyway.
|
| Having said all that, I did download Mike's spreadsheet
and I plan to create
| an equipment list - just for fun. However, I'm quite sure
that I won't be
| able to match the current W&B which will leave a perpetual
puzzle until I
| pay to have the plane re-weighed.
| -------------------------------
| Travis
| Lake N3094P
| PWK
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
...
FAR 125 requires actual weighing the aircraft on a schedule.
New aircraft are assumed to be accurate, but not all
airplanes are weighed.


Are we talking about an equipment list for Part 125 operations? If so, I
missed that.

As for us Part 91 guys, no up to date equipement list is required (other
than log book entries when work is done) and no regular weighing is mandated
(other than updating the W&B when stuff is removed or added).

I meant to type 135 but 125 also requires that aircraft in
commercial service be actual put on scales and weighed on a
schedule. A proper aircraft weighing requires the
verification of the equipment list, nothing added or removed
that is not accounted for on paper.

The aircraft should be clean, the candy and soft drink cans
should be removed, even the life jackets that are not on the
equipment list should be removed. When they go back in,
they are baggage and not equipment.

Part 91 does require an equipment list and by practice, that
should be up to date. Just how complete the detail depends
on several things... but it should include the item name,
location[station/arm] and the weight.


It is nice if it includes sufficient detail so an AD
compliance search can begin with a paper rather that
disassembly of the airplane.



"Travis Marlatte" wrote in
message
...
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| ...
| FAR 125 requires actual weighing the aircraft on a
schedule.
| New aircraft are assumed to be accurate, but not all
| airplanes are weighed.
|
|
| Are we talking about an equipment list for Part 125
operations? If so, I
| missed that.
|
| As for us Part 91 guys, no up to date equipement list is
required (other
| than log book entries when work is done) and no regular
weighing is mandated
| (other than updating the W&B when stuff is removed or
added).
|
|

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
...
On 03/01/07 21:44, Tim wrote:
There was a recent article by Mike Busch at AVWeb on this topic. AVWeb
members can see the article he

http://www.avweb.com/news/savvyaviator/194428-1.html


Steve Ellis also addressed this in AOPA Pilot in 2001.

There is nothing that I see that says that an up to date equipment list is
required. Mike Busch quotes an FAA publication that advises that the W&B
"must" be updated and then adds in the same sentence, "then the equipment
list is updated." There is no regulation that requires an equipment list.

However, if you're going to do it, Mike's spreadsheet is a pretty nice way
to go about doing it. He even includes a sign off at the bottom.

-------------------------------
Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK